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In reply to the discussion: It would be nice if the far left, for once, did some introspection. [View all]Gore1FL
(21,127 posts)71. What DU doesn't have enough of is "Let's take a shit on the left" threads.
Thanks for filling that vacuum.
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Yes, no one likes people who lecture, constantly complain, and are constantly dissatisfied.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#1
It's an issue. People have been trying to blow it off or treat it like a joke for too fucking long.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#35
Why are you wasting time obsessing over what the people at counterpunch think?
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#178
Probably the same reason you obsess over weed laws that you can't do anything to change.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#180
I have. The East Coast is not for me, although I know plenty of people who thrive on it.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#296
That's because there isn't a real war on those issues. but there is on abortion rights
JI7
Apr 2017
#23
You need to be more specific with these elaborate straw creatures you are constructing
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#27
"big weed" is a bs term kevin sabet came up with to rebrand failed prohibition arguments.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#322
Sure, as long as you are not including folks like Keith Ellison in your description of the Far Left
Tom Rinaldo
Apr 2017
#6
during obama's yrs the party did little locally, regionally, or state legislatures and got clobbered
msongs
Apr 2017
#7
I think if people agree with the GOP platform at all, there's a problem.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#42
I, too, am strongly of the opinion that Bernie Sanders caused HRC to be a better candidate.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#368
Of course she had flaws. But she was more progressive than Obama, Kerry, Gore, or Bill.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#92
Hillary was not more progressive than Obama, her immediate predecessor as nominee
karynnj
Apr 2017
#261
Everything Nance wrote is factually correct. There are no alternative facts there. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#109
these types have always been out there. it's more like a cool kids club than actual political
JI7
Apr 2017
#318
And meanwhile, the clueless far left will still accomplish nothing. Seriously, wake up.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#61
As long as you don't name one accomplishment of the far left, you prove my point.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#66
MA is a progressive state which was the first to legalize gay marriage. We voted for Hillary. n/t
seaglass
Apr 2017
#147
And it is easy to dupe them with fake news as the past election shows. All you have to do is
nikibatts
Apr 2017
#51
Losing centrists? You mean like the ones who turned around the massive losses
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#112
You could defeat the "wall of straw" by naming one thing the far left has accomplished.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#65
I vaguely remember last spring and summer how we were told here at DU and other
rpannier
Apr 2017
#67
No, but given the amout of energy some people put into the drama here
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#69
I was talking the last three or four decades. My lifetime. And the answer is nothing.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#79
Nope. The middle of the road hindered those efforts. Pressure from the left brought it home.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#94
I think you've created a "far left" straw creature for your own purposes, here.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#160
I never said anything about filibuster-proof. Filibuster-proof has NOTHING to do with my point.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#375
Show me hard facts, not just simplistic math, but actual proof that Nader voters
Exilednight
Apr 2017
#239
Math isn't "simplistic" just because you don't like what it implies. It's math.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#240
No, it's not a mathematical proof. Such things don't exist outside of mathematics.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#249
The political spectrum has existed for a long time. The far left is not a new phenomena.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#225
Nothing remotely "left" at all about people who would vote or not vote
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2017
#228
LOL yeah... American abolitionists and American Revolutionaries are middle of the road types...
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#254
Ah yes, history will always remember Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison as "middle of the road."
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#334
I am saying they were far left for their era, which is how one should gauge it.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#365
LOL! We aren't talking about seating arrangements in the French National assembly in 1789.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#384
I am taking this in the context of what is being discussed in this thread. I ask a third time:
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#386
You aren't making arguments, you are avoiding answering two pretty simple questions.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#391
Europe wasn't in the United States in the 1850s. It still isn't. I never mentioned Lincoln.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#393
There are many people here more interested in pointing fingers than fixing problems.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#80
Bullshit. Some of us know the 3rd party progressive nonsense is going to REPEAT
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2017
#348
Good for Ralph on the seatbelts. But the damage he did in 2000 was hundreds of times worse.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#115
Oh come on! You can hit that horse harder than that. Put a little shoulder into it.
ornotna
Apr 2017
#104
The far left more consistently votes for the Democrats, so I don't get it.
Buckeye_Democrat
Apr 2017
#113
Bullshit! I sure don't talk to many people were delighted at the loss of the 2016 election.
Akamai
Apr 2017
#119
Stein and Sarandon are two sad people who are proud of their efforts to elect trump
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#401
The far left in the country doesn't have the same money at its disposal. The far left, those of it
JCanete
Apr 2017
#149
If we were smart we would lean left rather than right. Trying to be GOP lite is why we lose.
Vinca
Apr 2017
#150
The people to blame for the "both parties are the same" narrative are the idiots pushing it.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#186
There's no denying that they threw the 2000 election to W. That's an obvious fact.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#230
I view them as more of a symptom that a lot of people are dissatisfied with Dems
bekkilyn
Apr 2017
#234
Well I think they should be. Because I think that they could be a force for good instead of a force
DanTex
Apr 2017
#248
As if Trump is not enough of a reason? An outright racist? Really? And W before him?
DanTex
Apr 2017
#269
I see no point in a op like this one. Why rehash the past? Time to move forward.
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#183
Couldn't disagree more. The Democrats have ONLY been successful when embracing liberalism.
Zen Democrat
Apr 2017
#184
Bill Clinton was popular, a great public speaker, and yet what did he accomplish for Dems?
Zen Democrat
May 2017
#427
I agree this has been a problem since McGovern....so I'm going back to the 70s.
Sancho
Apr 2017
#188
if you mean fall in line behind whatever gop lite the party is offering? nope
dembotoz
Apr 2017
#201
The point is that before telling the Dems what to do, the left should look in the mirror.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#209
Well, the Dems held the White House for eight years and enacted many historic reforms.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#356
Maybe instead of saying "far left" the OP should have just specified "Green" or "Nader/Stein"
bekkilyn
Apr 2017
#218
They keep doing it because it is easier to point fingers than to solve the underlying problems. nt
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#227
It's not fair to imply that people on the left are gleeful that Trump is in.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#241
And we don't have many "far left" types on THIS board, so why are you calling them out here?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#245
We don't have many Republicans on this board, but people call out the GOP here all the time.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#256
Actually, no, it wasn't. Obama had more charisma, but in terms of issues, 2016 was more progressive
DanTex
Apr 2017
#260
Of course the "far left" ignored it. The Greens had their own platform to run on. (nt)
PotatoChip
Apr 2017
#265
Yeah, I agree, she could have done many things better, including more resources in those states.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#272
Chris Hedges is a perfect example of the stupidity and impotence of the far left.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#335
Yes. That's what makes it so egregious that the far left helped bring this about.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#410
I don't think you've provided any evidence of that, outside of pointing to a handful of individuals
bigtree
Apr 2017
#413
then address those individuals and their individual agendas, statements, actions
bigtree
Apr 2017
#415
Jettison them, move a little to the right and pick up the win in the center.
Foamfollower
Apr 2017
#423