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Zambero

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131. To begin with...

Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:42 AM

Apr 2017

United or any other airline should never under any circumstances be sending in the cops to forcibly remove a paying customer causing no problem who was selected "at random" because of the airline's own screw-up. That airline should have a back-up policy in place for alternative transportation, such as a small private plane, if getting select crew members to their destination is all that important, if and when someone in the organization screws up. Law enforcement and law-abiding customers should be completely out of the picture.

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Story about 69 year old Dr. David Dao; the man United dragged off the plane [View all] OKNancy Apr 2017 OP

All American family exboyfil Apr 2017 #1

Yeah, that was a bad decision for United. Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #13

Well maybe cagefreesoylentgreen Apr 2017 #70

Such a horrific way to treat any human being Justice Apr 2017 #2

Yeah, he could have been afraid he was about to be deported. randome Apr 2017 #3

"How do we know he's a real doctor" BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #22

Not at all. It was a legitimate question. randome Apr 2017 #27

Really? atreides1 Apr 2017 #32

One who might state his dilemma rather than scream and fight the police. randome Apr 2017 #37

Okay Judgey Judgerton... You are right you don't know ... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #50

His immigration status and past conviction may have made him a little jumpy around the police. randome Apr 2017 #52

Now you are speculating... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #53

That's most of what we do on DU. randome Apr 2017 #55

Speak for yourself speculator... LakeArenal Apr 2017 #58

Some people will ALWAYS defend Wall Street and so on. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #102

Isn't that the truth. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #105

What past conviction? cannabis_flower Apr 2017 #59

He was convicted of selling painkillers. Had his license revoked but re-acquired. randome Apr 2017 #63

What kind of police HelenWheels Apr 2017 #67

Yeah, I'm confused about whether they were police or security guards. randome Apr 2017 #71

Apparently they were security guards. nt No Vested Interest Apr 2017 #189

Hired by UA. In the same way DAPL corp. hired security officers BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #208

He paid for his flight JonLP24 Apr 2017 #249

Yes, he paid for a flight, not for a specific seat on a specific plane. randome Apr 2017 #250

Both parties are responsible -- United and the Chicago PD. JonLP24 Apr 2017 #251

No company operates without limits on compensation of some sort. randome Apr 2017 #252

I'll let the lawsuit sort all this out JonLP24 Apr 2017 #253

I have no doubt that's true. randome Apr 2017 #254

That was subsequently discovered to be liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #259

The doctor's identity is irrelevant. And, in fact, it's been 'proven' that the first ID was correct. randome Apr 2017 #265

No, United shares equal blame. liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #266

Wrong guy, randome lillypaddle Apr 2017 #234

Nice find! BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #237

Hey, you're welcome lillypaddle Apr 2017 #242

Exactly. Makes you wonder what other forms of "classification" are going on. BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #122

I'm drifting with you BannonsLiver.. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #165

Righhhht BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #41

Well, he certainly is NOT a "typical doctor." cwydro Apr 2017 #49

Clearly the airline handled this terribly janterry Apr 2017 #56

They let him back on and he was presumably going/running (didn't see that part) back to his seat. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #170

Someone seated near him on plane said his head hit the floor and he was out for a bit womanofthehills Apr 2017 #195

And that's relevant to being dragged off a plane by goons how? BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #123

I'be been working in healthcare for thirty years. Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #186

And it was pretty evil that those "not so pretty facts" are being used pnwmom Apr 2017 #213

It was a shitty question ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #57

I'm simply trying to be objective. randome Apr 2017 #60

no, you are not being objective ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #65

No, the implication from the start is that if the man is a doctor, he is more deserving of respect. randome Apr 2017 #77

MAYBE they should have offered $100 more, or $200 more, or $300 more ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #83

But they did keep offering more, until they reached the maximum they had to offer. randome Apr 2017 #91

They offered *vouchers* not *money* bekkilyn Apr 2017 #93

The vouchers are pretty worthless. Most people have experienced that. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #228

Exactly, which is why no one wanted them. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #244

"the maximum they had to offer" a self-imposed maximum ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #95

Nazis? Nah, they would have pumped the whole plane full of zyclon b. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #109

The company-imposed limit is the _Company's_ problem JHB Apr 2017 #185

THIS! nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #216

Perfectly stated. MrPurple Apr 2017 #225

No they did not do "everything they could" bekkilyn Apr 2017 #90

I'm pointing out that if the scheduling situation was as dire as some have said... randome Apr 2017 #96

DON'T RESIST CITIZEN. OBEY. OBEY YOUR CORPORATE MASTERS ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #98

If someone is grabbing and threatening me with physical violence bekkilyn Apr 2017 #103

We don't know what occurred before the video. randome Apr 2017 #116

There was no good reason for him to have been required to leave in the first place bekkilyn Apr 2017 #125

That sounds reasonable. But maybe there were no alternatives. randome Apr 2017 #129

He probably refused and then security was called LeftInTX Apr 2017 #140

+1 dalton99a Apr 2017 #182

There are plenty of alternatives, but they just didn't try. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #150

It's bribery the minute they offer it BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #215

Bingo BadgerMom Apr 2017 #145

apparently they randomly selected his name. bdamomma Apr 2017 #161

This girl was "asked politely" to leave the classroom--first by the teacher, tblue37 Apr 2017 #167

But we don't know how much the police tried to talk Dr. Dao out of the plane. randome Apr 2017 #169

"To point out that people should meekly and compliantly agree to be brutalized is ridiculous" EX500rider Apr 2017 #183

Which means it would never have gotten straightened out bekkilyn Apr 2017 #191

and if he had a condition that might cause him to be easily frightened or disoriented? delisen Apr 2017 #172

A plane full of passengers is 'special'. Confining space. Nowhere to go. randome Apr 2017 #174

What United should have done was take responsibility for their own ineptitude bekkilyn Apr 2017 #192

It has occurred to me that someone his age growing up in Viet Nam is likely to have experienced Tanuki Apr 2017 #179

Agree. Plus too many police seem to be trained to bark orders at people delisen Apr 2017 #190

Which is why we see him in the later video pleading, "Don't kill me!" nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #217

They could have driven them there. It was only four hours away! LisaM Apr 2017 #202

Only typical doctors you mean. tazkcmo Apr 2017 #257

Yes. randome Apr 2017 #258

So if I were to be trespassing in your house, you'd mythology Apr 2017 #80

TALKING is what responsible grownups do ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #85

If the police then beat him up instead, is it your fault? jberryhill Apr 2017 #226

The man wasn't trespassing bekkilyn Apr 2017 #97

Find another means of getting the crew to Louisville BadgerMom Apr 2017 #142

The plane ended up being delayed two hours anyway--and part of the delay was because they had to tblue37 Apr 2017 #218

Thank you, Professor Plum, very good answer. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #227

Why should doctors be treated differently? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #72

There is no evidence of tasering, despite some DUers pushing that possibility. randome Apr 2017 #82

I read it somewhere and I still wonder why you are so determined to blame the victim... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #112

I'm not blaming the victim. randome Apr 2017 #121

If a passenger were ordered to undress and do jumping jacks, must he comply? pnwmom Apr 2017 #214

That "flailing about", as you describe it, was most likely from being tazed and rendered unconscious brush Apr 2017 #66

I seriously doubt he was tazed. There is nothing that supports that possibility. randome Apr 2017 #84

Guess you've never seen videos of people being tazed. There is yelling. And how do you account for.. brush Apr 2017 #89

In the video, you see him hit his head against the opposing row of seats. randome Apr 2017 #94

I watched several videos and didn't see him hit his head. Why are you defending this horrific... brush Apr 2017 #138

I'm not defending anything. I'm saying he hit his head on the opposing row of seats. randome Apr 2017 #163

He did hit his face on the armrest. That is why he was bloodied. nt tblue37 Apr 2017 #219

He hit his face or the rough manhandling led to his face hitting the arm rest? brush Apr 2017 #221

That, I am sure--he was yanked around rather fiercely, so I imagine they hit his face tblue37 Apr 2017 #222

Here you go again ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #99

Oh, come on! Don't get a post hidden on my account! I'm not -as I'm sure you'd agree- worth it! randome Apr 2017 #111

"And pls. note everyone. They picked a POC to do that to." tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #209

He was tased from what I heard ...and I would have been furious... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #69

I feel confident in saying he wasn't tased. randome Apr 2017 #87

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #100

I'm not at all saying that. Geeze, get over yourself. randome Apr 2017 #108

man, come on d_r Apr 2017 #124

I feel blaming the victim is inappropriate...and too bad for United. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #110

How would one forcefully remove a passenger without the use of force? randome Apr 2017 #113

I find it disturbing that this discussion has gone as MontanaMama Apr 2017 #184

You can debate this until the cows come home Heartstrings Apr 2017 #196

I've wondered if s/he is arguing just for the sake of arguing bekkilyn Apr 2017 #203

Absolutely. warmfeet Apr 2017 #205

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #239

One should not forcibly remove a passenger period so there was no need for any sort of force... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #207

Check upthread. BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #238

Slander as well as assault. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #241

Please check upthread. BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #236

aaaaaand. . . . right on schedule. niyad Apr 2017 #139

Frankly I don't think any mature adult would act like he did, Dr or not. EX500rider Apr 2017 #180

He screamed when thecthree goons attacked him. He may have been tased. yardwork Apr 2017 #194

He was not tased. No one on the plane said he was. randome Apr 2017 #197

Were you there? yardwork Apr 2017 #198

Someone on the plane would have said it. randome Apr 2017 #201

got a link? tazkcmo Apr 2017 #255

Entirely my opinion. I would not expect a professional man/woman to react w shouting & flailing. randome Apr 2017 #256

Who cares what YOU would expect? tazkcmo Apr 2017 #260

first news source to actually do their job and identify the man and confirm he is a physician. hlthe2b Apr 2017 #4

Ya know, I read the DM...daily. I have yet to see why it's called a "rag." I read more news there WinkyDink Apr 2017 #7

Well, they certainly seem to work at getting the story--rather than waiting to be spoon-fed the hlthe2b Apr 2017 #9

It's a rag because it runs scare stories about immigrants, and obsesses about female bodies muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #28

"Scare stories" or lies? There's a difference. And you are SERIOUSLY GOING BACK TO THE 30'S?! WinkyDink Apr 2017 #220

Scare stories AND lies. Yes, it does goes back to the thirties. It's been a rag for over 80 years muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #232

When it's competitor is "The Sun" (Murdoch rag)... mwooldri Apr 2017 #81

And soon to be the new owner of United Airlines madokie Apr 2017 #5

Not a chance FBaggins Apr 2017 #48

The United employees are liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #267

Thanks, but we don't need to know his past. Nobody deserved that assault and battery. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #6

Very true. And we must continue to keep this in mind when the Tanuki Apr 2017 #11

WHAT blemishes in his professional history? I didn't read anything of the kind? hlthe2b Apr 2017 #16

I am not trying to offend you or slander Dr. Dao. Tanuki Apr 2017 #19

I had seen none of this but agree with you that this is immaterial to hlthe2b Apr 2017 #31

So the smear campaign begins already. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #76

That case might involve some level of racist harassment too. hunter Apr 2017 #101

What if it had been Mitch McConnell? LeftInTX Apr 2017 #143

So what? athena Apr 2017 #118

excellent post! nt steve2470 Apr 2017 #132

+1000. byronius Apr 2017 #188

Yes! This! Lack of empathy, a chronic illness in our country... nt Heartstrings Apr 2017 #206

Do you work for United? Stop blaming the victim...don't care Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #75

They're not blaming the victim. athena Apr 2017 #120

No. It is important to get out there to fight the attempt to villainize him and destroy his rep hlthe2b Apr 2017 #14

limbaugh asked why didn't they just offer him a pepsi? certainot Apr 2017 #30

I've seen that Pepsi thing a few times christx30 Apr 2017 #106

limbaugh is making fun of the whole thing with a 'political correctness' reference certainot Apr 2017 #160

People I've seen it have been crapping on christx30 Apr 2017 #171

"PC" really means "Prejudice cover-up" sharedvalues Apr 2017 #223

here's one definition certainot Apr 2017 #224

I don't care itcfish Apr 2017 #8

I read that a random computer pick occurred tavernier Apr 2017 #10

Nope, he felt that it was racism and misandry HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #38

Totally agree. Respect for the man and what he's accomplished, but his being a doctor doesn't Fla Dem Apr 2017 #25

The claims for the amount of compensation vary from story to story csziggy Apr 2017 #12

Would have been cheaper for them to have offered 2 free first class tickets n2doc Apr 2017 #26

They could have hired a car and driver to drive their crew to Louisville csziggy Apr 2017 #35

Some DUers in the know say that doesn't work according to FAA regulations. randome Apr 2017 #39

As I said in my message,that might have been a consideration csziggy Apr 2017 #42

They could definitely be more forthcoming about the reason this became such a problem. randome Apr 2017 #45

They could have negotiated with a competitor to fly the crew hlthe2b Apr 2017 #43

Maybe they tried. If the entire region was screwed up, maybe there were no alternatives. randome Apr 2017 #46

Then hire a private service or join Netjet BadgerMom Apr 2017 #51

This... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #127

O'Hare's close to Palwaukee airport where I'm sure they could charter a nice small corp jet. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2017 #147

I heard the flight they were repositioning for was next day. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #64

I hadn't heard that. Definitely no logic to forcing passengers off if that's the case. randome Apr 2017 #92

Billions, w the boycott.TheChinese are boycotting too.Today alone was1/2 million just in stock loses Alice11111 Apr 2017 #230

Without a compelling excuse? cannabis_flower Apr 2017 #61

It depends on the job - for a doctor it could be a major problem csziggy Apr 2017 #168

I was actually thinking of the others on the plane.. cannabis_flower Apr 2017 #181

Of course we don't know how many passengers were already behind schedule csziggy Apr 2017 #187

He definitely looks dangerous in that pic Orrex Apr 2017 #15

Why I don't fly DownriverDem Apr 2017 #17

I quit flying in 1990 when the passengers were treated like cattle csziggy Apr 2017 #40

UA seems to have some serious problems Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #18

Weather canceled and delayed thousands of flights in the region. It was a scheduling mess. randome Apr 2017 #20

Thanks, I didn't know that Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #23

They also kill pets -- see my post below (and it's all over YouTube and Twitter) anneboleyn Apr 2017 #164

I appreciate you sharing that information. Morning Joe were on dae Apr 2017 #21

agreed NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #33

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #54

69 years old & treated like that . Shame on them! luvMIdog Apr 2017 #24

Immigrants coming here and stealing our doctor jobs IronLionZion Apr 2017 #29

He was most likely tazed, and knocked unconscious. He was out cold when being dragged out with... brush Apr 2017 #86

I hope he sues the pants off of them TNLib Apr 2017 #34

When will the violence by Americans against the Vietnamese end? HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #36

We're just missing the Jackboots! SCVDem Apr 2017 #44

United needs employee training! Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #47

DING DING DING! Lonestarblue, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Apr 2017 #79

They are allowed to offer as high an amount as they like. athena Apr 2017 #146

The CEO's response reiterates this attitude. It is a shitty company. Top to bottom. AgadorSparticus Apr 2017 #175

Thanks for the lovely picture, OKNancy. elleng Apr 2017 #62

I will repeat what I said on another thread on the same subject.... Heartstrings Apr 2017 #68

Let's not ask Judge SCVDem Apr 2017 #73

+1 to you here, too (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #78

Thanks good to see you bekkilyn! Heartstrings Apr 2017 #104

heres what i dont understand rdking647 Apr 2017 #74

I hope he sues the living daylights out of United. C Moon Apr 2017 #88

I hope all those DUers who accused him of lying about being a doctor apologize publicly. athena Apr 2017 #107

+1 nt steve2470 Apr 2017 #114

Amen get the red out Apr 2017 #134

I suggest that you not hold your breath waiting for that apology. there is a certain mindset niyad Apr 2017 #144

I can't even imagine athena Apr 2017 #149

it is better not to imgaine such disgusting things. niyad Apr 2017 #152

LOL. You're right. athena Apr 2017 #153

+1,000 I don't recognize this place these days malaise Apr 2017 #204

some days it is a puzzlement niyad Apr 2017 #246

NY Daily News writing about his previous run ins with the law... I'm NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #115

totally agree steve2470 Apr 2017 #130

My daughter may contact him . . . OldRedneck Apr 2017 #117

Woot! get the red out Apr 2017 #135

Let's ignore, for the moment, the wisdom.... LAS14 Apr 2017 #119

here's the thing to me. d_r Apr 2017 #128

Good point. No attempt to de-escalate the situation. nt LAS14 Apr 2017 #141

Please stop it with the "inappropriate reaction". The man was a 69 year old Vietnamese immigrant. haele Apr 2017 #154

I'm with you. Lifelong Protester Apr 2017 #158

Well thats fine d_r Apr 2017 #166

To begin with... Zambero Apr 2017 #131

It's an abuse of the system. athena Apr 2017 #137

Exactly.I am so fucking sick of the corporate shills -- United has also killed a bunch of pets anneboleyn Apr 2017 #162

Really, they should just up the compensation offers until someone accepts. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #177

An excellent solution Zambero Apr 2017 #245

WHAT LEGAL order??? why were the police even there in the first place? WHAT LeGAL ORDER niyad Apr 2017 #148

The one thing overlooked about this tikka Apr 2017 #126

And yet they still get the money for those no-shows. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #133

STOP THE STEREOTYPING onetexan Apr 2017 #136

did they treat a non-minority this way? niyad Apr 2017 #151

Did a non-minority refuse to vacate the seat when asked? eom tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #210

did they DEMAND that a non-minority give up a legally purchased and occupied seat? niyad Apr 2017 #247

I am not defending ANYTHING. tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #261

you do not KNOW that a white person would have received the same disgusting treatment niyad Apr 2017 #262

And you do not KNOW that they wouldn't have. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2017 #263

perhaps not, but we can sure make a good guess. niyad Apr 2017 #264

Lol! Squinch Apr 2017 #178

The doc said that it was because he was a Chinese man HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #231

Don't feed the trolls, guys. n/t Stand and Fight Apr 2017 #155

Thanks for this post! I have blocked three posters now who have been posting unbelievable, hostile anneboleyn Apr 2017 #156

I must have put at least twenty people on ignore since yesterday. athena Apr 2017 #159

a well bred family of drs. bdamomma Apr 2017 #157

Corporations are not all alike. United is seeming like one go the bad ones. delisen Apr 2017 #173

I had heard he started screaming when he was tazed .......... unconfirmed Angry Dragon Apr 2017 #176

I wondered my self about that duncang Apr 2017 #199

interesting, thanks Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #212

He's 69 years old? They beat up a senior citizen? McCamy Taylor Apr 2017 #193

yes they did onetexan Apr 2017 #233

This is a microcosm of how "free enterprise" ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2017 #200

this post was so much better than I feared it would be Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #211

I think the fact that he is from Vietnam may have something to do with the obvious fear HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #229

Certainly they could have found at least BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #235

While there is no confusion about Dr. Dao's being a doctor, BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #240

Wow people get angry because facts are reported HopeAgain Apr 2017 #243

They probably thought he was Chinese JonLP24 Apr 2017 #248