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Fumesucker

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70. The meme is that health care reform is done, finis, fait accompli..

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:19 AM

Jul 2012

You are asking me to believe that the state we have arrived at with respect to health insurance is not the one that the powers that be wanted going into this..

Even though I expected the outcome we got I nevertheless feel used by the person I supported for president because I think that person knowingly lied about his intentions and I supported him anyway even though I thought he was probably lying at the time.

It's hard to get overly enthused when your cynical predictions becomes reality.

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why don't the anti-aca folks just form and join the church of i-don't-believe-in-health-insurance? [View all] unblock Jun 2012 OP

There are so many loopholes that honestly I think if they're credible... joshcryer Jun 2012 #1

None of them are going to have to pay anything, yet they still squeal like pigs harun Jul 2012 #52

The presidential candidate I supported was against the private mandate.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #2

LOL, I just realized I'd responded to this before. Twilight zone! joshcryer Jun 2012 #3

Yes, I remember.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #6

I thought mandates were a no-brainer at the time, but I never... joshcryer Jun 2012 #7

Did you also think Obama lacked a brain? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #12

I thought it was a glorious messaging approach. joshcryer Jun 2012 #14

One man's "glorious messaging approach" is another man's "baldfaced lie".. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #19

I'm open to accepting it was a baldfaced lie. joshcryer Jun 2012 #26

I think that Obama was convinced by somebody at some point Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #55

As I originally said, I think it was messaging. joshcryer Jul 2012 #57

I think he was naive and thought most people would participate in the system if premiums were Hoyt Jul 2012 #74

The presidential candidate I supported was against the private mandate.. Zalatix Jun 2012 #13

He was also for closing Gitmo. joshcryer Jun 2012 #16

I'm STILL voting for Obama in 2012. I'm still contributing to his campaign. Zalatix Jun 2012 #20

It's nighttime here. joshcryer Jun 2012 #23

I'm pushing O'Malley in 2016. Chan790 Jul 2012 #46

I like her ideology, but frankly, I'll take a partisan over a bipartisan any day. joshcryer Jul 2012 #47

LOL thinking the same damned thing. Warren 2016. Who for Veep? Zalatix Jul 2012 #75

Is Obama now going around telling us how not closing Gitmo is the greatest thing ever? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #24

Heh! Touche. joshcryer Jun 2012 #27

You were the one who brought up Gitmo.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #30

Gitmo was an example of something outside of his control. joshcryer Jun 2012 #33

If it had a public option.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #36

The mandate will assure it will. joshcryer Jun 2012 #43

The insurance companies now have their fangs in our jugulars.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #48

Yes, he was strongly against it DJ13 Jun 2012 #28

had it been called a tax all along would there even be such objections? stabbed in the back, really? unblock Jun 2012 #4

Did you think in 2008 that Obama was going to call for the private mandate? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #9

did i have a crystal ball, no. but i knew the way sausage is made in washington, so i knew unblock Jun 2012 #25

OMB, liberal economists, Paul Krugman all saw a no-mandate approach was more expensive. joshcryer Jun 2012 #10

Of course no mandate would be more expensive.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #15

No, the reason it was deemed more expensive... joshcryer Jun 2012 #17

So you're telling me there *is* an alternative to ripoff private insurance? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #29

The OP has explained it to you, clearly. joshcryer Jun 2012 #31

The OP was a rant, not an explanation.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #38

Pfft, I'm tempted to start the No Health Insurance Church. joshcryer Jun 2012 #44

Then Krugman is incorrect. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #66

I'll take Krugman over anonymous message board posters. joshcryer Jul 2012 #69

Does not address my points. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #72

You've redfined "freeloaders" outside the scope of the models. joshcryer Jul 2012 #73

what if obama had simply raised income taxes .... DJ13 Jun 2012 #34

yeah, well, sigh, unfortunately, we didn't get president kucinich and the 75th congress.... unblock Jun 2012 #41

Don't give em any ideas. longship Jun 2012 #5

knowing the way they think, if the idea originated on du, they'll never go near it! unblock Jun 2012 #11

So now objecting to buying for profit health insurance EFerrari Jun 2012 #8

no, failing to pay the tax makes one a tax evader. unblock Jun 2012 #18

Boom. That's a brilliance bit of logic. joshcryer Jun 2012 #21

Two things. EFerrari Jun 2012 #32

well, you're certainly right that the right-wing will always find some cause to get riled up about unblock Jun 2012 #37

I have insomnia so I watch late night teevee. EFerrari Jun 2012 #40

Easier than that. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #22

It's probably a bad idea to marginalize wholesale EFerrari Jun 2012 #35

is it any different than the way the banking industry is enshrined in our housing system? unblock Jun 2012 #39

Is the banking industry really the best counter-example you could come up with? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #45

i'm not a cheerleader here. i'm just pointing out that there's nothing different about this unblock Jul 2012 #50

Yes, it really is different. The many countries that do it differently EFerrari Jul 2012 #53

i agree that american policy has become truly messed up in many respects. unblock Jul 2012 #77

Heritage Foundation policy has now become Democratic orthodoxy... Fumesucker Jun 2012 #42

Do you ProSense Jul 2012 #49

I have my perspective and you have yours.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #51

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2012 #58

I am confused. Do you agree with Fumesucker that the mandate is rhett o rick Jul 2012 #59

It was a ProSense Jul 2012 #60

The mandate is highly divisive, that's made perfectly clear just by this thread. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #63

Well, ProSense Jul 2012 #67

The meme is that health care reform is done, finis, fait accompli.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #70

It is divisive because the effect has been blown out of proportion. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #78

I'm commenting on what *is*, not what might be.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #62

Here's ProSense Jul 2012 #64

Nope, health insurance reform perhaps, health care reform not so much.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #65

This makes ProSense Jul 2012 #68

Yep. EFerrari Jul 2012 #54

You mean the Church of Tea? ashling Jul 2012 #56

Because they'd have to give up their Medicare, VA and other socialist goodies. Those are exempt from freshwest Jul 2012 #61

There actually is a church like that: Christian Scientist Initech Jul 2012 #71

my point is that they don't have to abandon anything they already believe. unblock Jul 2012 #76