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freshwest

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52. All I know is that people have had to sell their houses because we didn't have the ACA.

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:26 PM

Jun 2012

Yes, medical bills for catastrophic illnesses do get that big.

In the past, a person had to spend down their assets to get help. And then, if they were still with more income than the system said, they still didn't get healthcare.

The old system impoverished and humiliated people and broke up families because it was brutal in the way it decided benefits.

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Should we now mandate everyone must own a house? [View all] quinnox Jun 2012 OP

First, ProSense Jun 2012 #1

That must be why he has worked so hard to prop up the false valuations of real estate. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #22

Your comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #72

By keeping artificially inflated valuations high, he can avoid a call to help the homeless. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #94

Say what you will about Edwards... stopwastingmymoney Jul 2012 #93

there IS a mandate to own a house. unblock Jun 2012 #2

No, that would be a mandate to have a mortgage. Igel Jun 2012 #13

and no property tax deduction either? unblock Jun 2012 #42

Right. And the odd thing is that renters help landlords buy their rental properties. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #104

We should come up with another really regressive tax.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #3

Oh, you are so wicked. BlueCheese Jun 2012 #43

:slow clap: 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #47

You're giving them IDEAS... Zalatix Jun 2012 #65

ACA gives people coverage in 133% poverty. joshcryer Jun 2012 #69

Now there's an idea. woo me with science Jul 2012 #97

A little like the Section 8 program. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #105

Please explain how the tax is regressive. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #106

No because there are other options. When it comes to the fact that one day everybody will need jillan Jun 2012 #4

Everyone needs a roof over their head. dkf Jun 2012 #27

Rent? nt yewberry Jun 2012 #29

Could it be this? sad sally Jun 2012 #5

Sure ... as long as it subsidized for low and low middle wage earners etherealtruth Jun 2012 #6

Blurs an already fuzzy distinction. Igel Jun 2012 #15

All valid ... and if my post was anything other than a flippant response etherealtruth Jun 2012 #40

What tax breaks are there for home owners? Do you mean tax breaks for mortgage kelly1mm Jun 2012 #36

Thank you for a serious response to my very flippant post etherealtruth Jun 2012 #37

I think a more thoughtful question would be 'Can the Federal Government mandate that kelly1mm Jun 2012 #41

I think there is a huge difference between owning a physical structure\item loyalsister Jun 2012 #7

"The mandate is about personal and social responsibility." girl gone mad Jun 2012 #9

+ a million quinnox Jun 2012 #11

wait ProSense Jun 2012 #12

I agree. How long are we going to have to put up with bitter OP's re. the mandate.Move on already.nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #14

Until there's a public option and we can dismiss their talking points. joshcryer Jun 2012 #60

Social responsibility would be to provide universal health care thru a universal one-payer sad sally Jun 2012 #28

How is this difficult loyalsister Jun 2012 #26

Well, that's what the Heritage Foundation always said. Democrats, otoh, opposed forcing sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #33

"The Right said they were just lazy bums who wanted the rest of us to pay for them" loyalsister Jun 2012 #38

So because you know one person who is a jerk, you judge everyone by sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #50

People should never, ever support of not support policy based on their own biases. -- huh? loyalsister Jun 2012 #55

If everyone without insurance had it, they too would not be stressed or dying. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #75

Isn't that the point of ACA? loyalsister Jul 2012 #78

It's a baby step, a small one, which is better than nothing. It won't help sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #82

"Always" said? They backed off their faux mandate decades ago. joshcryer Jun 2012 #63

Republicans are not against mandates. They are against Obama. If he was against them they sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #74

Except they fawned over Obama's anti-mandate rhetoric and bashed Mitt for being pro-mandates. joshcryer Jul 2012 #76

the mandate does not force the poor to buy something they cannot afford magical thyme Jul 2012 #90

Yes that is the way things work here in the US and that is what we sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #95

The health insurance mandate is similar to the... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #8

What do you mean? SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #16

only thing i can think of is to elect republicans to repeal the law.... dionysus Jun 2012 #21

If you like what your government is doing... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #23

Who do you mean specifically? SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #24

Specifically, the politicians that continually use their power... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #34

Ah so I take it you mean SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #54

"The only viable recourse" to what, elect republicans who will repeal the law? dionysus Jun 2012 #20

what higher tax do you pay if you don't buy a house? nt magical thyme Jul 2012 #86

Shut up and eat your broccoli pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #10

I am sorry you consider the ACA such a bitter pill. We have the mandate, let's move on. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #17

we know, we know. we didn't have votes for single payer or a public option. dionysus Jun 2012 #18

There are thousands, if not literally millions of pools. TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #32

NO, because NOT having a house doesn't affect everyone else who does. Have a nice day. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #19

check-mate. Quantess Jun 2012 #39

Actually it does in similar ways JonLP24 Jun 2012 #64

Having a large homeless population doesn't affect anyone who isn't actually homeless? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #79

Antonin frazzled Jun 2012 #25

As a REALTOR, I say yes. mmonk Jun 2012 #30

Yes we should have a housing mandate... Kalidurga Jun 2012 #31

Does that mean I can move out of my house to the park and then a week later buy a house for $1??? CAG Jun 2012 #35

1. You can RENT HOUSING. You CANNOT RENT HEALTH INSURANCE or health care magical thyme Jun 2012 #44

Actually, you do rent health inurance demwing Jun 2012 #53

That's debatable. Your payments into the health system are going to be... joshcryer Jun 2012 #58

Try missing a payment and get sick after that and see if you get anything returned to you. Zalatix Jun 2012 #67

Try missing a payment on a house... joshcryer Jun 2012 #70

you don't rent services. you buy them either in one payment or 'on time.' magical thyme Jul 2012 #85

You can't borrow against a home you're renting demwing Jul 2012 #92

when you borrow against a home you own magical thyme Jul 2012 #96

NO, we need to MANDATE THAT EVERYBODY LIVE IN DECENT, SUITABLE HOUSING magical thyme Jun 2012 #45

That's right and there should be a tax penalty if you don't have decent housing.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #80

but only for the 1% or so who have sufficient wages or income magical thyme Jul 2012 #98

Well, it will be subsidized except for the copay and deductible.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #99

skateboards spanone Jun 2012 #46

It was not upheld under the Commerce Clause treestar Jun 2012 #48

It should have been, as Justice Ginsburg demonstrates. Laelth Jun 2012 #62

Not so treestar Jul 2012 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Jul 2012 #91

Which makes it interesting JonLP24 Jun 2012 #68

Doesn't matter how it is labeled treestar Jul 2012 #89

As long as we subsidize those who can't afford the payments... quaker bill Jun 2012 #49

Yes we should demwing Jun 2012 #51

All I know is that people have had to sell their houses because we didn't have the ACA. freshwest Jun 2012 #52

The Broccoli Horrible Laelth Jun 2012 #56

The Democrats actually tried to give everyone a house. joshcryer Jun 2012 #57

+1 tawadi Jun 2012 #61

Silly boy. Tricks are for kids. If you don't buy a house, I don't have to buy you one, do I? nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #59

Finally. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #107

+1 x10E+34 - that's a Death Star level ++. You win the entire Internets. Zalatix Jun 2012 #66

Actually, maybe that's not a bad idea. Proles Jun 2012 #71

That's what the EU does. Basic living wage and housing. joshcryer Jun 2012 #73

Oh please, that is so grandiose! kenny blankenship Jul 2012 #77

Sounds like the Community Reinvestment Act before the Republicans gutted it. joshcryer Jul 2012 #81

Why? Rex Jul 2012 #83

Heh: joshcryer Jul 2012 #84

As long as they dont mandate me to own a rocket launcher Rex Jul 2012 #100

There are tax incentives to owning a house treestar Jul 2012 #87

I'd go along with ensuring that everybody is able to afford access to shelter. Live and Learn Jul 2012 #101

Actually, I worked for a homeless project for a number of years, and I JDPriestly Jul 2012 #102

Yes, fully funded by a hefty tax on all the assholes that own more than one house. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #103