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JHan

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180. That's not because of Trade, but automation

Wed Mar 1, 2017, 04:13 PM

Mar 2017

Folks need to get this right.

Manufacturing jobs lost over the span of decades are never coming back. They began to wane in the 70's due to improved technologies and job loss is now accelerated because of automation.

Stubbornness, due to ideology, or just a refusal to face reality is why stupid policy gets implemented.

What DID not help was a management culture which sprouted up in the 80's ( especially) which prioritized short term profit over sustained wealth creation, an approach that led to degradation of the commons in some places. All those profits earned from globalisation should have been pumped back into regions most affected - they weren't.

And those tribunals have ALWAYS existed.

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Keith Ellison: [View all] JHan Feb 2017 OP

Amen. murielm99 Feb 2017 #1

Good for him! Squinch Feb 2017 #2

Thank you for your very wise words! democratisphere Feb 2017 #3

But there seems to be a few trying really hard to keep up the schtick here on DU. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #4

some folks always gotta fuss about something JHan Feb 2017 #5

He's absolutely correct. Having the two of them working together as a team... WePurrsevere Feb 2017 #6

And the vote allowing corporate money?? Fearless Feb 2017 #7

what are you on about? JHan Feb 2017 #8

The party voted to allow super PAC money. Fearless Feb 2017 #9

... JHan Feb 2017 #10

You support citizens united, heard. Fearless Feb 2017 #13

No, you ain't "heard" nothing except whatever assumptions you got going on in your head.. JHan Feb 2017 #22

No, she supports not bringing a pool noodle to a gun fight. nt tblue37 Feb 2017 #25

thanks, and you're right.. JHan Feb 2017 #30

We had a chance to get rid of Citizen's United Motownman78 Feb 2017 #52

Exactly. nt SylviaD Feb 2017 #60

+++++++++ JHan Feb 2017 #68

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Feb 2017 #109

Thank you. yardwork Feb 2017 #115

You seem concerned. Please feel free to air more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #118

I have to believe it was way more of "stayed home" than voted third party. Ligyron Feb 2017 #120

There is 100 thousand coming against Sherrod Brown Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #12

By taking the moral low ground Fearless Feb 2017 #14

Or we could just not take the money and watch our people lose Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #18

and yet...... ciaobaby Feb 2017 #34

since we have a new DNC chair your comment is meaningless. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #48

as is yours ciaobaby Feb 2017 #54

At least her comment is current BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #92

Correlation does not imply causation. You need to spend more time looking into stevenleser Feb 2017 #49

Why do things occur - enlighten me. ciaobaby Feb 2017 #61

Each issue is different, but one thing is certain, correlation does not imply causation. stevenleser Feb 2017 #85

That is not really true...she was a terrible fund raiser and starved the states... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #84

I don't agree with that ...and she sent the money to the national pols... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #121

Bernie didn't lose because... cannabis_flower Feb 2017 #126

Bernie is unique...a very talented politician. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #154

Clinton took the money and lost. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #152

Money doesn't guarantee anything...it just gives you a fighting chance. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #155

Agreed. ciaobaby Feb 2017 #29

what you did was source an article from the conservative online blog Townhall... JHan Feb 2017 #33

facts are facts regardless where they came from ciaobaby Feb 2017 #35

Spin is Spin, and I care where it comes from.. JHan Feb 2017 #36

So it's "dredging up the past" to consider past failures and how to prevent them ciaobaby Feb 2017 #37

We need a plan. We could live with that. Let's see what Perez does, maybe he will start shifting JudyM Feb 2017 #39

Hope you are right. ciaobaby Feb 2017 #40

"Corporatist" "Shill" "Big money".. JHan Feb 2017 #44

your concern is not a crime, but it is mopinko Feb 2017 #63

Yep. A pretty crystal clear tell. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2017 #82

Taking contributions for the party from the mega-wealthy radical noodle Feb 2017 #102

Wrong...we are not supposed to use right wing sites against fellow Democrats. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #122

What do you think the immediate and practical result of refusing money would be to the Democratic pa LanternWaste Feb 2017 #156

Not sure what you mean Bradical79 Feb 2017 #17

Which was banned from 2009 until 2016. joshcryer Feb 2017 #51

You mean money Obama banned from '09 until '16? joshcryer Feb 2017 #50

We lost everything during those years...did you ever think banning the money Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #123

Way to go Keith! Class! Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #11

You couldn't be magnanimous even NOW? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #20

Hoo boy! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #47

How about this: Ken Burch Feb 2017 #94

If you have Bernie's email address, you should forward that to him. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #97

You tried Ken, brutus smith Feb 2017 #119

What exactly upsets you so about her post? NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #62

He wants to remake the democratic party into the image of sanders Gothmog Feb 2017 #75

It was solely Bernie as an individual voters had problems with Ken Burch Feb 2017 #142

The passion is not coming from people pushing sanders failed platform but from people against trump Gothmog Feb 2017 #71

It serves no good purpose for you to keep treating the Sanders movement with contempt and derision. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #96

Tell that to BS.. What she said is true.. he should take a cue from Keith Cha Feb 2017 #146

That was a great tweet from Keith. #BeLikeKeith NurseJackie Feb 2017 #153

#BeLikeKeith Cha Feb 2017 #161

I have met and like Keith Ellison Gothmog Mar 2017 #185

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Feb 2017 #73

Amen be like Keith JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #77

Exactly compsports Feb 2017 #116

If only that class had been echoed in your response. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #202

Of all the posts on this thread, I can't believe this one got alerted on. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #203

I know! Right? I would have hated to have missed that! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #205

But apparently unsuccessfully. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #207

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Mar 2017 #204

LOL Gothmog Mar 2017 #206

He's right, time is short. nt Rex Feb 2017 #15

K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #16

And with that, Keith proved that the suspicion and distrust directed his way was out of line. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #19

It wasn't Keith or Tom that I was worried about. nt Mars and Minerva Feb 2017 #23

I love Keith and respect Tom .. so it's a win win for me. JHan Feb 2017 #38

Wrong. The distrust wasn't toward Keith. It was never about Keith the Man... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #83

Very well put, NurseJackie, thank you. I loved Keith's comments after the vote was announced.... George II Feb 2017 #86

Well said, NJ! nt brer cat Feb 2017 #91

I did that by congratulating Tom. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #101

That's not all you did, Ken. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #104

I'm not tainted by her and I'm not birds of a feather with her. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #106

You're changing the subject and muddying the waters, Ken. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #112

I tend to agree with the WP analysis Gothmog Feb 2017 #87

That's absolutely correct ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #89

Sarandon is a first class bigot. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2017 #93

Follow Up ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #90

Agreed, this takeover attempt by the Sanders faction failed Gothmog Mar 2017 #186

It wasn't a take over and Bernie's not a diabolical cult leader. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #98

I never really got the impression that "grassroots funding" was one of Keith's issues. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #113

Keith wanted the party to stop using corporate funding Ken Burch Feb 2017 #128

Ugh. This is so tiresome. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #129

I don't accept that you're an insider simply because you've been in office for awhile. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #130

Well... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #131

And I'm not sure why it seems to be so important to you to label every possible candidate an insider Ken Burch Feb 2017 #132

You're projecting. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #133

Ellison said he would put the issue to a vote in the DNC BainsBane Feb 2017 #158

The main reason for the "takeover" argument Ken Burch Feb 2017 #159

Sanders revolution resists DNC loss Gothmog Feb 2017 #134

It was simply an expression of frustration about the way Keith was treated. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #135

Why did Keith Ellison lose the DNC race? Gothmog Feb 2017 #136

You're assuming that Keith was CALLING for the party to reject the Obama legacy. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #138

Read the article-Sanders was making this argument on behalf of Ellison Gothmog Feb 2017 #139

Bernie himself is blameless. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #140

I strongly disagree with your analysis and conclusions but you are getting off track Gothmog Feb 2017 #141

"No Standing Rock" BainsBane Feb 2017 #143

Great post-real life is very different from amusing posts on an internet board Gothmog Feb 2017 #157

To clarify my intent...I was talking about two DIFFERENT constituencies in that post. My bad. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #160

When are you going to figure out people don't vote based on policy? BainsBane Mar 2017 #163

You have no reason to respond with hostility. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #164

I live in the real world and have actually worked on campaigns Gothmog Mar 2017 #166

I've worked on real world campaigns for forty years now. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #172

If we assume we only lost because of racism or irrational hatred of Hillary, BainsBane Mar 2017 #167

I agree with you that we need to fight voter disenfranchisement. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #169

My point isn't that trade and the economy didn't make a difference BainsBane Mar 2017 #197

There was no difference between Tom and Keith on voter disenfranchisement. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #199

Oh, please! BainsBane wasn't being hostile. It was being direct and blunt and not mincing words. NurseJackie Mar 2017 #168

There was nothing in my post to be "blunt" about. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #171

Well, Ken... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #175

Nothing I said was a tactical maneuver Ken Burch Mar 2017 #176

Oh dear! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #179

I spend as much time fighting Trump as you do. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #191

That really depends on how you define the word "harm", doesn't it? Based on ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #193

Great post Gothmog Mar 2017 #184

Thanks! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #195

No, that poster doesn't act as if everything you say is part of some plot BainsBane Mar 2017 #187

I accepted that Perez has won. Nothing I said in the post you just responded to was about Perez. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #189

The Platform never really matters in a race Gothmog Mar 2017 #165

You are not the official arbiter of reality. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #170

I live in the real world and have actually worked on campaigns Gothmog Mar 2017 #173

I've worked on campaigns for decades. I've worked on ground game for decades Ken Burch Mar 2017 #177

and you never asked yourself what Trump's trade narrative was based on? JHan Mar 2017 #174

It was largely based on people losing jobs in the Upper Midwest. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #178

That's not because of Trade, but automation JHan Mar 2017 #180

It was trade AND automation. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #190

tbh I don't want to make this about this singular issue because it's a side track.. JHan Mar 2017 #198

I accept Perez' victory and support the guy. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #200

We aren't going to get a better trade policy now BainsBane Mar 2017 #196

I don't disagree with you about the consequences of the result Ken Burch Mar 2017 #209

Oh, good lord! NurseJackie Mar 2017 #182

After you have worked on some campaigns in the real world, things look differently Gothmog Mar 2017 #188

I've worked on real campaigns for forty years. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #192

Again, after you have worked on some campaigns in the real world you will have a different viewpoint Gothmog Mar 2017 #194

Ellison was treated badly BainsBane Feb 2017 #149

Thanks for posting this. These are ideas and observations that have been swirling in my brain ... NurseJackie Mar 2017 #181

+1000 nt brer cat Mar 2017 #183

Very revealing piece BainsBane Feb 2017 #144

+1, Alan Dershowitz shown what a petty little man he was when he injected his rhetoric into this ck4829 Feb 2017 #150

Any scrap of optimism I will take it Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #21

If Tom lets it be a partnership, we can recover. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #24

I have heard that Tom and Keith are friends and the deputy move was in the works no matter who won Gothmog Feb 2017 #79

But Perez is the one in charge, right? Deputy chair is not a "co-chair" with equal powers and ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #114

You seem to be working on the assumption that Tom Perez cannot make change. George II Feb 2017 #88

Ellison was always better than the crap surrounding his nomination BainsBane Feb 2017 #26

will every thing always go back to blaming "Bernies People"? ciaobaby Feb 2017 #41

There are some lessons that can be learned BainsBane Feb 2017 #42

OKAY - point taken. ciaobaby Feb 2017 #43

Ellison didn't run on taking corporate money out of the DNC BainsBane Feb 2017 #45

no - I think you are missing my point. ciaobaby Feb 2017 #46

You're talking about campaign contributions BainsBane Feb 2017 #58

you summed it up far more eloquently than I could express, thanks. JHan Feb 2017 #65

Bernie was never a celebrity politician Ken Burch Mar 2017 #208

As for the DNC taking corporate money BainsBane Feb 2017 #99

DNC fundraising totals BainsBane Feb 2017 #100

Boom! nt stevenleser Feb 2017 #53

Do you have to repeat the same phrase? shenmue Feb 2017 #95

Same with Sanders, tbh. joshcryer Feb 2017 #55

I have stated similar. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #64

I have met and like Keith Ellison Gothmog Feb 2017 #76

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Feb 2017 #27

Ellison is a class act. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #28

And, so is Tom Perez Cha Feb 2017 #74

They are both nice people Gothmog Feb 2017 #80

Love it BeyondGeography Feb 2017 #31

Ah yeah! Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #32

Agree. Good result! ananda Feb 2017 #56

i liked both. favored perez at the top tho. this is a win win.new blood. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #57

I agree metroins Feb 2017 #70

I'm glad I saw your post metroins Feb 2017 #59

;) JHan Feb 2017 #67

looking and moving forward fishwax Feb 2017 #66

They're going to be a great team nini Feb 2017 #69

Ellison and Perez each like the other and so this is a good result Gothmog Feb 2017 #72

Keith's Democratic and progressive credentials have always been solid, and I still_one Feb 2017 #78

Time is short; let's get moving!! Lifelong Protester Feb 2017 #81

If they really voted against Keith because.. mvd Feb 2017 #103

There is no such thing.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2017 #105

Yes it will have to be explained I would think mvd Feb 2017 #107

Keith and Tom have similar views, I really fail to see what the issue is. JHan Feb 2017 #108

There are SOME differences. Ellison may.. mvd Feb 2017 #110

Exactly, JH.. that "establishment" false accusation is divisive bullshit.. Cha Feb 2017 #147

Cenk is a rank idiot. JHan Feb 2017 #162

Exactly how much power do people think the DNC chair has anyway? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #125

I've got a great idea: If you like Keith, then pay attention to what he advocates, and do it! NBachers Feb 2017 #111

I thought Perez did the right thing, they're both progressive and both sincere. BeckyDem Feb 2017 #117

Could've been the other way around, a true liberal. nt Stellar Feb 2017 #124

They're both true Liberals. We got Lucky with Tom Perez and Cha Feb 2017 #145

Put it simply. Doreen Feb 2017 #127

K&R... spanone Feb 2017 #137

This makes me so proud! cbreezen Feb 2017 #148

Two good people get the red out Feb 2017 #151

GOOD!! EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD BE. United!!! AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #201