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In reply to the discussion: I used to be HIGHLY skeptical of the HCR. Then this happened. And now I support it 100% [View all]Prism
(5,815 posts)13. Democrats and Republicans won big today
The ACA was upheld - Democratic win
The Commerce Clause just got crucified - Republican win.
When the headlines settle and the implications of the precedent set in, I don't think people are going to be as thrilled as they are now.
I honestly think Chief Justice Roberts just outmaneuvered the hell out of everyone. He just curtailed a lot of federal power, and no one seems to realize it. Then again, I don't expect the media or most partisans to be the most perceptive of people.
This was a legal revolution on his part. I'm shocked so few are paying attention to it.
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I used to be HIGHLY skeptical of the HCR. Then this happened. And now I support it 100% [View all]
Taverner
Jun 2012
OP
It prohibits CERTAIN methods of enforcement. But if it is a tax, then IRS has enforcement authority
nanabugg
Jun 2012
#22
The argument that judicial nullification would have paved the way for single payer was laughable
bluestateguy
Jun 2012
#5
I am mostly in agreement with your analysis, but have a slight twist to offer
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#7
As a mandate, like car insurance, the government only needed proof that you had health insurance
Taverner
Jun 2012
#11
The mandate didn't become a tax. It is being compared to a tax, but it isn't a tax.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#12
No it did not. You are mistaken. It was compared to a tax to justify it, but it isn't being
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#16
You just don't get it, even if those who don't have insurance pay the tax, they don't get healthcare
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#24
Nowadays, so much is privatized especially in the military and now with charter
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#54
I am completely failing to see why "they will ensure all Americans are covered"
phantom power
Jun 2012
#17
i see. and where are large corporations taxed? or is it all on the backs of individuals?
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#23
so corporations *have to* buy plans for their employees? or they can just give them a voucher
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#27
thanks for the link. i forsee a lot of corps dropping their health care policies. Seems like
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#59
This is not correct, the tax doesn't get you a health insurance plan, it just doesn't, it's a
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#26
so you pay the tax but still get no insurance? so how about people with no income (e.g. homeless)
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#28
i just read that some states were saying they wouldn't expand medicaid, & it seems the SC said
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#36
As well as many working poor who still won't be able to afford insurance, but will be penalized by a
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#35
give me an income figure. "well above the poverty level" tells me nothing, and in fact, i don't
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#51
yeah, this is the part i'm not seeing how it works -- but i'm feeling like this will eat up their
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#42
It seems as though you keep suggesting that the tax will provide insurance, it won't.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#38
so how about if you have no job & no income, then say 4 years later get a job. do they come
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#39
'spelled out' = not really. there are lots of permutations. as for medicaid, it's already been cut
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#49
just to be clear, it was ALWAYS a tax, collected by the irs, paid to the u.s. treasury.
unblock
Jun 2012
#31
right. the only thing that "changed" was the argument. the law itself didn't change.
unblock
Jun 2012
#50
YUP ... they avoided calling it a Tax because lots of bluedogs would have balked.
JoePhilly
Jun 2012
#57