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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:18 AM

15. I think the number one problem is Valid Voters who are not allowed to vote, or vote is never counted

This voter roll manipulation has been going on at least since 2000, and the Democrats will not do anything about it.

Every election hundreds of thousands of valid registered voters have been prevented from voting using these massive invalidation lists. This year it is the "Interstate CrossCheck" list. These are almost always ginned up by the Republicans, and target minority sounding surnames. If the voter actually complains when they go to vote they are given "provisional" ballots, but there does not seem to be any real standards in checking if these are valid, and seem to often just be chucked in to piles never opened or counted. And no one ever goes back to see why the voter was removed from the rolls, or if they are put back on them. How many provisional ballots are out there.

Making it hard for especially Democratic voters to vote it also a favorite Election manipulation technique of the Right. Extreme voter ID laws, shorter early voting periods, and fewer, harder to find precincts, or just moving the voting locations, and under-staffing/provisioning the locations to cause longer lines all discourage the "wrong people" from voting.

Also there never seems to be any kind of random spot check on vote counting machines. There is no way to check full electronic ones. But ones that are optic scanners of paper ballots, or like in Ohio where the machine prints out a paper roll record could be spot checked at least. Hand count the ballots run through the machine and check it against the machine total. I have never heard of this being done anywhere. But every gas pump or deli scale is checked for accuracy in this state (OH) on a regular basis. Not so much the voting machines.

Another simple check that does not seem to be done is to check the counts from each machine added up for each precinct, which is added up for each county, which then is added up for statewide totals. In 2004 and 2008 this totaling function was done on the same RNC computers in Tenn that ran the private email for the Whitehouse that lost 22million votes. And the guy who programmed it all died in a small plane crash.

There is also the simple crosscheck of the number of votes check off in the precinct registration desk vs the total votes shown on the machines. This was way off in Detroit this year and was used as a reason to not examine/recount the precinct!

It is supposedly possible for private citizens to ask to examine the actual ballots for a period of time after the election is finalized. This never seems to happen.

The other thing that always pisses me off is the actual major candidates (or at least democrats) will never do a recount/audit like what the Green party was auditing? Our candidate had standing so the recounts could not have been thrown out or stopped. How could this have possible hurt her, or us more than this result?

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