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In reply to the discussion: Judge: 13-year-old girl gets lighter sentence if her ponytail gets cut off [View all]EFerrari
(163,986 posts)166. So, you'd teach your kid to do better
by being as violent at they were, and worse, because you are supposed to be the adult?
Seriously?
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Judge: 13-year-old girl gets lighter sentence if her ponytail gets cut off [View all]
tawadi
Jun 2012
OP
That's another issue entirely. Not part of the 13-yo's criminal proceedings.
kestrel91316
Jun 2012
#10
It shouldn't, imo, and I believe there are signs specifically saying not to leave children unattende
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#125
For a 3 year old, it's not obtuse. They don't need chains, but parents should be have LOS at every
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#139
Great, I'll have to tell my two and a half year old not to go down the spiral slide anymore
snooper2
Jun 2012
#144
NO. I'm tired of lazy, distracted parents getting off after not doing their jobs.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#180
No, I don't. Republicans are the ones who like to fry children for criminal offenses, and send
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#183
Then be afraid, be very afraid, because you're just typing excuses for adults,
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#185
Probably not as intimidating as being a 3 year old and having two older kids cut off a chunk of hair
SickOfTheOnePct
Jun 2012
#17
Punishment is punishment. It's not rehabilitation. Sounds like a good idea to me. nt
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#105
intimidation only applies to perps then? this kid can learn how the other side
roguevalley
Jun 2012
#117
If the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against "unusual" punishments is still applicable in Utah,
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#19
Giving a choice between an excessive punishment and an unusual one is a violation of the
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#25
Under a literal reading (which you imply is the only appropriate interpretation), the 8th Amend
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#32
Is this merely your opinon, or can you cite precedent for your assertion?
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2012
#27
You are right in the sense that giving a choice would raise a presumption that the second punishment
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#28
As you observed, "Only a truly outrageous alternative sentence for a relatively minor crime would be
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#62
You, not I stated, "and how can it be stated without doubt that the second punishment is always
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#69
You're referring to yourself as having fun. Are you saying that you're a troll?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#110
You're right that the law sometimes treats the Constitutional rights of adults different than minors
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#49
The protection is against "cruel AND unusual punishment" not cruel OR unusual.
morningfog
Jun 2012
#114
He gave her the choice. She could have just taken the full community service time.
morningfog
Jun 2012
#119
A great many other people posting on this board think that the choice was given to the mother:
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#123
Please point to the post where I said all children are innocent babies. Thanks.
EFerrari
Jun 2012
#178
If it was assault to cut the 3 yos, how is it not assault to force cut the 13yos?
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#140
For the same reason that a prison is legal but locking someone in your basement is not (nt)
jeff47
Jun 2012
#163
How confusing though, when she's being accused of assault for cutting hair w/out permission
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#142
He makes them work for a particular flower shop? Does he have any ownership interest in the
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#94
What, in your mind, would have been a proper punishment for this assault? n/t
SickOfTheOnePct
Jun 2012
#87
So you don't believe there should be any punishment for the assault of a toddler?
SickOfTheOnePct
Jun 2012
#91
The best you can hope for is to control negative behavior until their brains are fully formed.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2012
#138
Between letting kids practice bad behavior & shaming, there are a lot of measures that can be taken.
EFerrari
Jun 2012
#146
Hitting with a 2x4 and a judge cutting a deal involving a ponytail are qualitatively different.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2012
#172
She probably got the idea of cutting off someones hair as a prank from Romney.
Auntie Bush
Jun 2012
#97
I'm wondering why the mother hadn't already done that before they got to court.
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#106
Yep. Nothing makes a kid realize what it feels like to be on the end of damage....
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#171
This ruling kind of reminds me of Judge Michael Cicconetti, the most bizzare judge ever
AJTheMan
Jun 2012
#108
Yep. He's one of the gimmicky judges who enjoys publicity and self-promotion.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#111
Or Larry Seidlin, the judge who started weeping as the Anna Nicole Smith trial was being decided nt
AJTheMan
Jun 2012
#112
I hate it when thirteen-year-olds act like the Republican nominee for President.
Vattel
Jun 2012
#118
key phrase: "Lopan and an 11-year-old friend met a 3-year-old girl at a McDonald's"
SoCalDem
Jun 2012
#131
The whole idea of any kind of sentence, light or severe, for a 13 year old is ludicrous
Sanity Claws
Jun 2012
#152
I can see the point of people that don't agree with the ponytail being cut off
SickOfTheOnePct
Jun 2012
#170