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hunter

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78. Imagine what kind of hell DU would be if MIRT didn't ban certain posters.

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:16 PM

Jan 2017

Read the comment section of any poorly moderated anyone-can-post news site. Anti-intellectualism, racism, and misogyny are still thriving in the U.S.A..

"Free Speech" doesn't mean I'm obligated to listen respectfully to vile gibberish. I'm certainly not obligated to provide a platform for it.

If anyone thinks MY words here are vile gibberish then they're welcome to tell me so or put me on "ignore."

The only time I ever demanded a respectful audience is teaching, and even then it's not about respecting me, it's about students respecting one another. Teachers enjoy a very limited freedom of speech anyways. A teacher who is not teaching the subject, or a teacher who is being a sexist racist asshole, or a teacher who is verbally abusing students, etc., will be fired. That teacher will lose their platform.

It amuses me to hear Breitbart bullies throwing temper tantrums like toddlers. "Waaaahhhhh! These people won't listen to me respectfully! Free Speech, Free Speech!"

The only people they're fooling is the morons who support them.

They are terrified that straight white males will lose the privilege of being listened to respectfully, no matter how vile the gibberish they are spewing.

They are very well aware of how they've disrespected everyone else and they don't want a similar disrespect heaped upon them.

Well too bad, they reap what they sow. They'll just have to grow a thicker skin and learn the language of righteous anger, just as all the groups they've oppressed have. If their anger is not righteous, and it's not, we have no ethical obligation to respect or tolerate their tantrums.

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UC Davis shut down Yannopoulos, Shkreli event. Free Speech questions abound [View all] ghostsinthemachine Jan 2017 OP

You either believe in free speech or you don't. Throd 2.0 Jan 2017 #1

I agree about free speech...also believe if folks disagree...they have rights too.. angstlessk Jan 2017 #5

Then don't go to the event. greytdemocrat Jan 2017 #39

Both the College Republicans and protesters exercised their freedom of speech SecularMotion Jan 2017 #8

Bingo geomon666 Jan 2017 #23

That's the most succinct rebuttal I've heard. hunter Jan 2017 #25

You are right, not every opinion is worth hearing Kilgore Jan 2017 #27

Well, they can stand on the corner and yell at the passing cars. hunter Jan 2017 #33

On specifically what is that allegation based on? LanternWaste Jan 2017 #74

The First Amendment Kilgore Jan 2017 #85

this TeamPooka Jan 2017 #40

I'd say ultimately the protesters lost Abq_Sarah Jan 2017 #61

Protestors were expressing their opinions & Brietbart ARE fascists, in bed w/NAZIs Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #65

If you're trying to prevent someone else from exercising political speech Abq_Sarah Jan 2017 #68

If you are so very concerned about Nazi's not having enough venues to speak at Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #70

Like I said Abq_Sarah Jan 2017 #72

Imagine what kind of hell DU would be if MIRT didn't ban certain posters. hunter Jan 2017 #78

So, your posts make it obvious you're dying to actually call me a goose-stepping brownshirt so why Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #83

I'm not calling dying to call you anything Abq_Sarah Jan 2017 #88

Preventing a presentation that 2+2yellow is indicative of a goose-stepping brownshirt? LanternWaste Jan 2017 #75

Actually not. J_William_Ryan Jan 2017 #28

So do you believe in a heckler's veto on speech? tritsofme Jan 2017 #51

On Friday, the Davis College Republicans canceled speeches by a far-right website editor Read more Charles Bukowski Jan 2017 #2

They should have been allowed to speak AJT Jan 2017 #3

The First Amendment ONLY applies to government attempts to block free speech. 6000eliot Jan 2017 #4

People have the right to NOT hear hate speech! angstlessk Jan 2017 #7

No they don't. Throd 2.0 Jan 2017 #9

So..NOW YOU OWN MY EARS? angstlessk Jan 2017 #10

Bullshit. You can't label ideas you don't like as "hate speech" and deny others the right to speak. Throd 2.0 Jan 2017 #12

I can label anything I like, thank you very much... angstlessk Jan 2017 #15

So you're fine with authoritarian bullshit. Nice. Throd 2.0 Jan 2017 #19

Bullfuckingshit... angstlessk Jan 2017 #20

Think about what happens if Trump decides liberal thought is hate speech? mythology Jan 2017 #35

Yeah - they should have gone through the college procedures Yupster Jan 2017 #55

So you believe in bullying TransitJohn Jan 2017 #63

"I wonder if Trump will draw up some hate speech codes. I'm sure you will love those." Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #66

Been here since 2004. These threads always go the same way. Throd 2.0 Jan 2017 #79

And anyone who wanted NOT to hear what Yannopolis had to say could just not attend. WillowTree Jan 2017 #59

Rigjt. To not hear it by not being there, not by preventing them from saying it. dionysus Jan 2017 #86

Free speech is FREE,,,NOT FORCED ...if students don't want to hear i angstlessk Jan 2017 #11

The students who did not want to hear AJT Jan 2017 #13

They DID have a right to object to it being on THEIR campus angstlessk Jan 2017 #14

Objecting and protesting is great AJT Jan 2017 #16

If the speakers were too afraid to speak... angstlessk Jan 2017 #17

The entrance was blocked AJT Jan 2017 #21

Let Rachel Maddow or John Lewis get physically blocked from entering a venue by Jake Stern Jan 2017 #29

Yeah but in the protesters' defense Yupster Jan 2017 #56

And people have a right to protest. NYC Liberal Jan 2017 #18

Fuck his rights. backscatter712 Jan 2017 #44

Dog shit underpants Jan 2017 #6

There are factions on both ends of the spectrum that don't believe in Free Speech madville Jan 2017 #22

When a college spends students tuition funds on speakers angstlessk Jan 2017 #24

Would you support it if College Republicans used that as a reason to block John Lewis from Speaking? Jake Stern Jan 2017 #30

They are free to try and be judged for those efforts TeamPooka Jan 2017 #41

That's the thing Jake Stern Jan 2017 #43

Good. Fuck Yannopoulos and Shkreli. Let them open their own University of Shithead. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #26

Should not be allowed ProudLib72 Jan 2017 #31

Nice post Generator Jan 2017 #87

Great display of the power of free speech by the protesters. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2017 #32

See, this is stupid. GaYellowDawg Jan 2017 #34

Now I would watch that! Initech Jan 2017 #49

Just You-Tubed him Yupster Jan 2017 #73

Those trolls got exactly what they wanted Initech Jan 2017 #36

Milo played them like a fiddle Henry Krinkle Jan 2017 #37

I wouldn't give that asshole any platform. Initech Jan 2017 #38

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd.... That's exactly what they wanted. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #42

Who gives a shit what they want? backscatter712 Jan 2017 #45

Yeah, and the only reason "Milo" has a career is because he's good at getting "liberals" to try and Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #46

Ah, the old "Ignore a bully and he'll go away" advice... backscatter712 Jan 2017 #47

Right. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #50

No. There is such a thing as speech that is outside of civilized bounds, that needs to be stopped. backscatter712 Jan 2017 #53

Well, I'm sorry, but the tools to suppress the speech you don't like can be used against you, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #57

And you can bet every dollar you make from now until Judgment Day the media will be there Jake Stern Jan 2017 #54

They're already using it against us. backscatter712 Jan 2017 #60

Those of us who don't want them to get any more notoriety or power care. TransitJohn Jan 2017 #64

They're just more right wing grifters, parasites on the ass of the church of stupid. hunter Jan 2017 #52

I don't have any problem with telling people "fuck off" Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #58

I have a much rougher concept of free speech than you do. hunter Jan 2017 #62

This LA Times writer had an interesting take on it, and she came to a lot of Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #80

That's the grifter's game, selling more books to congregants of the Church of Stupid. hunter Jan 2017 #81

Sometimes I wish I hadnt had so many "I-opening" entheogenic experiences as a lad Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #82

They didn't shut them down, Yiannopoulos chickened out. grantcart Jan 2017 #48

They are the snowflakiest of all, Trump and the alt-right Nazi's, they CRUMPLE Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #67

Free Speech is about the government not being able to censor speech, not a private institution Beaverhausen Jan 2017 #69

I know, right? Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #71

It's exactly like the posters who scream how DU hates free speech just before MIRT shuts them down. hunter Jan 2017 #77

i think the country has been well served with right wing talking points. It is time to hear the still_one Jan 2017 #76

I'm all for free speech and debate. romanic Jan 2017 #84