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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
17. A separate, unrelated point.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jun 2012

If there were an argument being made that we must ban porn to improve gender relations, that would be a response. The fact that progressive societies still have porn doesn't really bear on whether a lot of porn comes from a regressive, degrading place in terms of men and women.

Bad porn isn't the source of degrading attitudes toward women. But it plays into and magnifies it. And the reverse is not true, if that's what you're saying. Accepting any and all depictions of sex as okay doesn't improve anything. That would be like saying laxer gun laws lower crime rates, because some town or state with lax gun laws has low crime rates. There's no cause and effect relationship.

The story bad porn is telling is a lie. And swimming around in an ocean of lies about what women and sexual relations are about isn't a net positive for culture.
It's all good until the whips, chains and apples are brought out snooper2 Jun 2012 #1
and then it`s even better! opiate69 Jun 2012 #7
Way to beat me to it. Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #21
I actually like gay porn a lot more than straight porn. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #2
Oh, there is plenty of choking, slapping and hitting... zappaman Jun 2012 #3
All that needs to be said. Kurska Jun 2012 #5
I've only ever seen one gay porno. Ian David Jun 2012 #6
Well you are watching the wrong kind then.... Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #22
I have never seen this porn where people get hit and choked obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #23
It's not dehumanizing until you put on the panda suit. n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #4
Touche, sir n/t Kurska Jun 2012 #8
I think the argument is about how the industry treats the actors, not the viewers. Child porn, ... GodlessBiker Jun 2012 #9
But how do you regulate that? Kurska Jun 2012 #10
Straight woman here WilmywoodNCparalegal Jun 2012 #11
Straight woman here, too. Staph Jun 2012 #13
But *I* don't CONSENT to the objectification some men Fawke Em Jun 2012 #29
Thank you for posting this....I've been mulling over how to phrase this question for months.... Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #12
I don't think the dehumanization argument is that mysterious. DirkGently Jun 2012 #14
here's the irony RainDog Jun 2012 #15
A separate, unrelated point. DirkGently Jun 2012 #17
but there is a correlation b/t religious conservatism and sex crimes RainDog Jun 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author DirkGently Jun 2012 #19
I don't think anyone "focuses" on porn to the exclusion of everything else. DirkGently Jun 2012 #20
Sanity, thank you! Taverner Jun 2012 #16
Porn is just a symptom of the problem Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #24
I'd add something to the conversation Aerows Jun 2012 #25
The vast majority of porn rrneck Jun 2012 #26
Bumping for more discussion. DURHAM D Jun 2012 #27
until it comes to gay rights issues and how you are portrayed/perceived? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #28
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