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In reply to the discussion: Former Obama professor calls for the President to be defeated. [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)157. Never heard of a multiplier?
One excited liberal can drag along a lot of other people. And can keep their spirits up as we slog through the lengthy process of dragging the party left.
One liberal shouting "fuck both parties! It's all rigged! We can never, ever change anything" similarly turns of a lot of other people. And makes it harder to keep spirits up as we slog through the lengthy process of dragging the party left. Getting through 2010 with a bunch of liberals who stayed home saying "I told you so!!!" isn't helpful.
Do you really think the people that frequent this board are going to vote for a Republican?
I think there are plenty that thought voting for Nader in 2000 was a great idea to punish the Democrats for not being liberal enough. There is a persistent myth among many liberals that withholding their vote in November will make the party turn left. Despite the fact that the party has turned right every time they stay home in November. And that attitude is cropping up again. If it wasn't, this thread wouldn't exist.
You sound scared Jeff. Why?
Because I remember 2000. W's term didn't cause the country to turn left, and I am very concerned the same people are going to make the same mistake out of a belief that the party will come to them.
The party is who participates. Liberals not participating is what sends the party to the right. Yet there are liberals who believe this is not true.
Are you scared that there are so many of us that are extremely disappointed in a person we put our hopes and dreams into? Are you scared to discuss (in a civilized and calm way) the shortcomings of the Obama Administration?
I think people complaining that 40 years of conservatism was not undone in 2 years are severely deluded.
Are you more comfortable ignoring the fact that we didn't get an experienced, courageous and dynamic leader that followed through on his COMMITMENTS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...much less the principles of our Party.
No, I think an enormous number of people believe Obama promised things he did not promise. For example, "Obama said he'd pull out of Afghanistan" shows up on DU constantly. He didn't. He promised to send more troops to Afghanistan.
You can not undo 40 years of moving the country to the right in a single election. If you believed it would, that is not Obama's fault nor the Democratic party's fault.
However, you will not be doing our country any good by marching in lock-step with someone who only pretended to be a Democrat.
I suggest you actually read my posts before berating me for something I didn't say.
The entire point is liberals need to show up all the time in order to make the party more liberal. They need to vote in every primary. They need to get involved in the party apparatus. They need to help recruit and support liberal candidates. And they simply aren't showing up so the centrist Democrats call the shots.
Does that sound like "marching in lock-step"? Oh wait....I forgot you aren't bothering to read so that you can make another self-righteous post about how Obama has disappointed you by doing what he said he'd do. My bad. Keep working to keep people home until the party turns left by magic!
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I have several friends who refuse to support Obama this time around because they
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#23
Remind your friends also that Rmoney is surrounding himself with the same neocons
TheDebbieDee
Jun 2012
#39
Yes. A couple of them probably voted Green, but most voted Democratic in the past.
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#142
But, if the election is close and we lose the House again and only hold the Senate by one or two...
KoKo
Jun 2012
#115
And the worst of it is some of the very conservative Democrats like Lieberman who
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#143
Yes. Many are not faring well already, but under a Republican president, especially
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#144
Thanks again. You responded with this here first, but I read it here after reading your other post.
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#140
The predicted progressive counter-revolution never (really) materialized either
Proud Liberal Dem
Jun 2012
#27
My only hope was that he wants us to be able to refute this guy... There are virtually no details on
freshwest
Jun 2012
#26
This ain't Latin America, though. I agree that economic freedom is first. But he's not clear enough.
freshwest
Jun 2012
#41
I 100% agree. They need a "Obama is perfect" forum for these people. I am sick of it. n-t
Logical
Jun 2012
#82
I think some here, maybe you, take every complaint about Obama as being a slam....
Logical
Jun 2012
#101
"Of course, I've got MY tenure, so it's all academic to me (if I clench my butt tighter maybe these
NBachers
Jun 2012
#19
wonder if the Professor KNOWS that the republicans control the House? n/t
progressivebydesign
Jun 2012
#55
I have a friend who lost his house thanks to the lies of a mortgage company.
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#28
I think it would be easy to win these types of voters back by making some policy adjustments.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2012
#47
I agree. I don't want ot be one of those sacrificed either, but OTOH it is going to happen
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#137
But, we're a tiny minority with super powers. At once helpless and able to exert irresistible
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#57
The guy said that "Obama must be defeated". How does that help the progressive cause?
scheming daemons
Jun 2012
#124
He actually seems like the socialist/communist that baggers said taught Obama. LOL. nt
GusFring
Jun 2012
#49
what an asshole. Guess he bought that "no difference between Gore and Bush" thing too.
progressivebydesign
Jun 2012
#51
It's the same thinking that gave us Bush II. Problem is, folks like the professor don't have the...
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#62
I agree with a lot of what he says...completely disagree with his overall statement though
ibegurpard
Jun 2012
#63
Awww the little man just wants attention and faux news and Limpballs will give it to him
Happydayz
Jun 2012
#73
I think this guy has forgotten that what we get if we defeat President Obama is Rmoney.
jwirr
Jun 2012
#84
The choice is Obama or Romney. Who advances Progressive causes more, ya think?
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#91
That's because I'm angry at the people who's effort extends to showing up in November and whining
jeff47
Jun 2012
#150
a former professor only has one vote...it counts no more than mine. i will nullify him.
spanone
Jun 2012
#100
The Reich-wing went searching for this guy to counter the stories of Romney while in school
siligut
Jun 2012
#120
As do apparently, the seven extra-special souls that rec'd this inane foolishness
Number23
Jun 2012
#131
Yes, the best way to "advance the progressive cause" is by electing Romney.
Renew Deal
Jun 2012
#152
A very very left wing relative of mine routinely calls Obaba a babykiller and worse
librechik
Jun 2012
#155
If the President is a hostage then how much worse the lot of us "small people" must be
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#159