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343. Just asking a simple question?

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Keith Scott had a stolen gun, wife filed protective order on him in 2015 (2nd protective order 2004) [View all] pintobean Sep 2016 OP

Que the character assassination of a man killed after sitting in his car waiting for his kids KeepItReal Sep 2016 #1

+1 Glassunion Sep 2016 #3

Pointing out facts isn't character assassination Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #8

Did he have a standing warrant for his arrest? Then he was NO TARGET of LEOs waiting for his kids. KeepItReal Sep 2016 #33

Correct - he was not a target. Not at least until he showed a blunt AND a gun. jmg257 Sep 2016 #34

When you openly babe a gun and drugs in front of cops Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #37

That just isn't true. Marr Sep 2016 #65

I am sure every violent ex-felon gun-humping domestic & child abuser who gets shot by authorities jmg257 Sep 2016 #72

SMH Mr Dixon Sep 2016 #88

How does it not have anything to do with it? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #98

Really Mr Dixon Sep 2016 #301

Where to even start Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #302

Madness Mr Dixon Sep 2016 #320

Yes, because the penalty for all of that is death, right? RonniePudding Sep 2016 #137

Yes often the penalty for refusing to drop a weapon when confronted by police is death. Egnever Sep 2016 #143

I get where you're coming from RonniePudding Sep 2016 #145

Again Egnever Sep 2016 #147

No Separation Sep 2016 #246

Then he should have been charged with a crime and read his rights psychmommy Sep 2016 #176

Had he made better choices he would have been Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #182

except if you are a minority. psychmommy Sep 2016 #190

So easy to judge from behind a keyboard. pintobean Sep 2016 #191

That is a powerful video Egnever Sep 2016 #205

Cue the typical response: jonno99 Sep 2016 #218

Yeah, we've seen some of that in this thread already. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #222

Thanks for sharing that video Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #225

Except cops have training to handle such situations, at least they're supposed to brush Sep 2016 #245

Trainibg doesn't slow things down or make things less confusing in the moment Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #247

Huh? It sounds like you're saying training is worthless. brush Sep 2016 #249

Your setting an unrealistic standard Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #251

So now you're saying a trained officer will do no better than someone untrained. brush Sep 2016 #255

That's not what I said at all Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #256

Better is a goal worth seeking. Better training is a goal also worth seeking . . . brush Sep 2016 #258

So what would you train differently for the officers in the Scott case Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #260

TRAIN THEM THAT BLACK MEN ARE NOT THE ENEMY. . . brush Sep 2016 #271

OK so in other words you don't have any real answer Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #273

That is the answer. Open your mind. brush Sep 2016 #274

That doesn't answer the question. What IN THIS INCIDENT should they have done differently Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #275

I don't care if it was a black officer. DE-ESCALATION. Ever heard of it? brush Sep 2016 #278

That is a popular buzzword Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #280

You keep saying he had the gun in his hand without proof of that brush Sep 2016 #282

Yep, you don't have answers Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #284

You are so inflexible in your defense of police killings brush Sep 2016 #288

Here is something else Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #298

As I thought, totally inflexible from backing the shoot to kill mentality brush Sep 2016 #328

There sometimes isn't a way Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #330

Training has to change. psychmommy Sep 2016 #335

That's what the cops were trying to do. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #227

+1 Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #14

How about the fact that the wife intentionally risked the lives of those Marr Sep 2016 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Sep 2016 #52

The daughter as well exboyfil Sep 2016 #120

Always happens. sinkingfeeling Sep 2016 #57

How serious was his injury if he was driving? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2016 #104

+million. Disgusting. None of that was known when he was accosted and killed. ecstatic Sep 2016 #123

You have no way of knowing that Egnever Sep 2016 #149

This is false , we know from the Leo's account uponit7771 Sep 2016 #206

You know what? Egnever Sep 2016 #209

They didn't know shit about him and didn't give a fuck either uponit7771 Sep 2016 #212

Can you link proof of that or are you just reflexively throwing stuff out. Egnever Sep 2016 #216

It's facts that debunk all the he didn't have a gun bs. pintobean Sep 2016 #154

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #204

Running plates is SOP. This would reveal his extensive record. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #240

in that case, they were right to perform a summary execution. Orrex Sep 2016 #2

That's what I was thinking . . . obviously, he deserved to die hatrack Sep 2016 #4

It looks almost like he wanted to day FrodosPet Sep 2016 #79

He Didn't Deserve To Die RobinA Sep 2016 #91

Agreed. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #92

But just a few days ago people here were saying cops planted the gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #5

Which is the bigger injustice? Orrex Sep 2016 #7

He wasn't "executed" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #11

Why did they shoot to kill? blogslut Sep 2016 #17

Is this sarcasm? Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #22

Yes and that has been my complaint Jim Beard Sep 2016 #38

Firing at appendages, especially in motion, increases the chance of a miss... Marengo Sep 2016 #121

Like I mentioned in my post, wounding shots should be used when there are 2 or more Jim Beard Sep 2016 #286

Where do those missed bullets end up? michreject Sep 2016 #297

If you are trying to get me to say an innocent bystander, then I say you shouldn't be shooting at Jim Beard Sep 2016 #336

Just asking a simple question? michreject Sep 2016 #343

3 cops empty a few dozen rounds into his legs is better? You've heard of the femoral artery, right? NickB79 Sep 2016 #345

Nobody is ever trained to shoot at an arm or leg. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #23

European LEOs are trained not to kill but to mame. GeorgeGist Sep 2016 #30

That's the first time I've ever heard of that. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #31

Here is a reference so far as I understand relevent to Swedish police practice... Marengo Sep 2016 #102

What? That's impossible! Orrex Sep 2016 #35

Those gun advocates are right on that point. Marr Sep 2016 #61

I don't know about police but CHL training teaches to shoot to end the threat. Hangingon Sep 2016 #71

That's a semantic argument mythology Sep 2016 #81

That's not true Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #84

No one is trained to 'mame' with a gun. Sorry. Marr Sep 2016 #59

Interesting article jmg257 Sep 2016 #63

How much of Europe is armed? Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #83

They discuss that at the link. nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #86

There is something wrong with the training Jim Beard Sep 2016 #295

That's question would be funny if you were not serious Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #26

Maybe they need stress training. Jim Beard Sep 2016 #39

Maybe people need to drop their weapons Egnever Sep 2016 #129

Because life isn't a Playstation game? Marr Sep 2016 #44

Exactly. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #54

That does not work in real life. Oneironaut Sep 2016 #139

Probably because the incident was not a T.V. western... Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #192

There is never a good reason to shoot for the arms/legs kudzu22 Sep 2016 #333

Funny that white guys are disarmed all the time, then Orrex Sep 2016 #18

So are blacks guys. The days after Scott was shot, two white men and one white woman were shot tonyt53 Sep 2016 #56

Citations, please Orrex Sep 2016 #62

many many examples here Egnever Sep 2016 #125

Interesting--quite a few indeed. Orrex Sep 2016 #144

How about the one below. It gives race and small summary of what happened. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #167

Well, the discussion had expanded beyond the current case. Orrex Sep 2016 #180

Ah, so facts and evidence really do not mean anything when compared to your agenda. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #187

Oh, you're one of those. Orrex Sep 2016 #193

Damn right I'm one of those - one of those that looks and listens with an open mind. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #236

No, not one of those. Orrex Sep 2016 #250

Your words tell a different story. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #263

Agreed Egnever Sep 2016 #267

Thanks--I clearly have more thinking to do on this subject Orrex Sep 2016 #281

Np Egnever Sep 2016 #293

You may not like the high-bow programming, but the "Most Shocking" episodes on the Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #194

The story discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #341

A few days ago? Hell, they're STILL saying that. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #9

Yeah - but the cops didn't KNOW he was an ex-violent felon with a history of domestic violence jmg257 Sep 2016 #6

I wonder if any of those cops have a history of domestic violence or substance abuse. Orrex Sep 2016 #10

Good question...Do they do drug tests at the CPD? jmg257 Sep 2016 #20

Domestic violence is a disqualifier under the Lautenberg Amendment nationwide Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #27

Thanks for the info! nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #29

Not sure about that Orrex Sep 2016 #66

Only convictions count under Lautenberg bug most agencies are stricter Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #67

Thank you--that was a very thoughtful and thorough answer Orrex Sep 2016 #69

Thank you Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #75

A person with a gun and drugs in a car is the very definition of Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #12

Yep. Sarcasm was implied. jmg257 Sep 2016 #96

I predict this thread will go well. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #13

Well, it's going as predicted. pintobean Sep 2016 #15

Agreed. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #16

Illegal guns, domestic violence, police shootings hardluck Sep 2016 #25

A felon knows they cannot possess a weapon. A felon knows that he will be returned to prison Trust Buster Sep 2016 #19

+1 NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #21

typical answer heaven05 Sep 2016 #53

Pointing out facts does not make one a "murder apologist." NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #76

I stated facts. You stated invective. That's the only thing that's typical here. Trust Buster Sep 2016 #90

you have no idea heaven05 Sep 2016 #114

Good thing you don't do that. pintobean Sep 2016 #116

it's a question heaven05 Sep 2016 #119

Same from this side Egnever Sep 2016 #153

This was not murder Egnever Sep 2016 #136

None of that matters; only what happened that day treestar Sep 2016 #24

It demonstrates a clear pattern of past behavior Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #28

Still none of that justifies the shooting treestar Sep 2016 #32

No- but his actions justified it Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #43

again are the police justified just because a person has a gun? treestar Sep 2016 #45

DO you think you would drop it if told to a bunch of times? If not, I'd worry...a lot. jmg257 Sep 2016 #49

Yeah I'd drop it treestar Sep 2016 #51

Understood and agreed. nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #60

Scott wouldn't have been able to sue anyone. branford Sep 2016 #161

Excellent post. Kang Colby Sep 2016 #289

He might have tried treestar Sep 2016 #323

He was sitting in his car near a school rolling a joint branford Sep 2016 #337

That goes both ways, I mean people who are treestar Sep 2016 #342

I'm one of those Democratic pro-gun guys. branford Sep 2016 #344

Not "just because a person has a gun" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #50

interesting in that treestar Sep 2016 #55

"The police really need to mow down a few white people" melman Sep 2016 #70

It may - if you have examples I would look treestar Sep 2016 #95

lots of examples here Egnever Sep 2016 #108

OK, thank you treestar Sep 2016 #321

Check out the link below. Now where is the outcry for the three white listed and Philip Hasan tonyt53 Sep 2016 #265

Seriously? RobinA Sep 2016 #94

I agree that's exactly what these black guys should do treestar Sep 2016 #97

Past behavior? Has he shot anyone in the past? Jim Beard Sep 2016 #40

Yes. jmg257 Sep 2016 #41

And made threats to shoot his wife less than a year ago Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #48

Since you didn't provide a link, I had to find parts of it myself Jim Beard Sep 2016 #73

Ha - they might in NY! They take that shit seriously in NYC. jmg257 Sep 2016 #77

But, that wasn't the question you asked. pintobean Sep 2016 #80

Of course it matters - if he had had the gun legally he would just Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #221

And yet Bettie Sep 2016 #36

You don't know that. Marr Sep 2016 #46

Ah yes, summary execution Bettie Sep 2016 #87

You have to realize that is an absurd statement. Marr Sep 2016 #89

And if a white gun-humper violent ex-felon domestic & child abuser holding an illegal stolen gun jmg257 Sep 2016 #100

Nope. MicaelS Sep 2016 #128

Check #108 upstream, Bettie.NT Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #198

so he deserved to die, right? heaven05 Sep 2016 #47

Where did I say that? pintobean Sep 2016 #58

You're making stuff up. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #64

That's what this whole thread's about. Iggo Sep 2016 #82

Here's your strawman FrodosPet Sep 2016 #133

Was that enough to deserve the death penalty from out of control police? Initech Sep 2016 #68

Of course not, but when ordered by police to drop a weapon... NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #74

I see people defending the CURRENT cops rules, including that they investigate themselves. Jim Beard Sep 2016 #78

Okay, that's enough. Iggo Sep 2016 #85

Anyone who is actually concerned about overzealous policing would back away from this. Marr Sep 2016 #93

That's exactly what's happening and it's just making things worse Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #101

This a million times this ^^^^^ Egnever Sep 2016 #155

Amen. n/t Adsos Letter Sep 2016 #112

summary execution it was heaven05 Sep 2016 #122

Just keep telling yourself that. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #162

You keep saying 'execution' as if what happened was out of Scott's control. Had jonno99 Sep 2016 #226

You're right-- *you* don't need them. Marr Sep 2016 #242

hey heaven05 Sep 2016 #316

I understand your frustration Egnever Sep 2016 #327

Very well said Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #331

I'm for talking about Tulsa, Oklahoma, but folks into guns and stuff want to stick with Charlotte. Hoyt Sep 2016 #170

Good point - where are the Tulsa threads?? I thought there had been a couple started. jmg257 Sep 2016 #177

I'm all for talking about the obviously bad Tulsa shooting- but *this* is the one under discussion friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #179

Well, this thread was hatched by a gun apologist, as typical. And gungeoneers are jumping on. Hoyt Sep 2016 #189

Inconvenient truth remains truth no matter who brings it up friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #195

Good news - there is a new Tulsa thread to hop into! jmg257 Sep 2016 #197

I wouldn't call it 'good news', but *that* is an obvious case of police criminality. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #199

Yes - Good point. jmg257 Sep 2016 #230

"...gungeoneers are jumping on." Ah, THAT explains the good data and sound argument. Thanks! Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #200

Yeah, from people who need a gun strapped to their body to walk out the door. Hoyt Sep 2016 #201

Hoyt, you are nothing if not predictable. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #202

Like Mr. Scott? sarisataka Sep 2016 #232

Our interlocutor scarpered after your inconvenient observation... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #348

Point taken - that's a big factor in what got Scott killed. jmg257 Sep 2016 #233

I knew it was you from all that "gun strapping" stuff. Doing OK? Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #350

I know it's you from the gun reference on you User Name Hoyt Sep 2016 #351

She didn't charge royalties. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #352

"thread was hatched" "gun apologist" pintobean Sep 2016 #300

A 'better' way? One 'better' way is when in the presence of the police, don't get out of the car jonno99 Sep 2016 #229

and the final piece falls into place. Egnever Sep 2016 #99

the video didn't show that Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #103

Sorry we disagree. Egnever Sep 2016 #105

which video clearly shows a gun? Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #107

ironically enough the Wife's Egnever Sep 2016 #109

Yes. The lawyer exboyfil Sep 2016 #117

What jury? XemaSab Sep 2016 #292

It will be a travesty if he does. Egnever Sep 2016 #294

The civil trial exboyfil Sep 2016 #299

thanks... Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #140

No problem Egnever Sep 2016 #146

why is this coming out now and why didn't his wife say this before? Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #106

No way to know his wifes motives Egnever Sep 2016 #110

And people were injured and one man killed and lots of property damaged Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #113

I can understand her actions. I don't like them but I understand them Egnever Sep 2016 #124

apparently... she has a lot to answer for Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #135

Beginning with inciting a riot. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #196

Yep - scary what investigations, when given the time, will turn up. jmg257 Sep 2016 #111

Should it have come out 2 months ago? The2ndWheel Sep 2016 #115

Maybe before the riots pintobean Sep 2016 #118

You people who keep defending cops who act as judge, jury, and executioner are the problem. ecstatic Sep 2016 #126

The problem goes both ways IMHO Egnever Sep 2016 #127

Galant effort Puzzledtraveller Sep 2016 #349

^^^ THIS. Iggo Sep 2016 #134

This is looking more and more bighart Sep 2016 #130

This makes his wife's cries of MicaelS Sep 2016 #131

Well, that COMPLETELY justifies executing him in the streets without a trial. 6000eliot Sep 2016 #132

Yes sadly it does Egnever Sep 2016 #138

Because, of course, this is a COMPLETELY ISOLATED incident 6000eliot Sep 2016 #173

How does this incident have anything to do with the others? Egnever Sep 2016 #175

Yes, EVERY incident is an isolated incident, 6000eliot Sep 2016 #183

That I agree with Egnever Sep 2016 #188

Cops assume the risk of death when they take an oath FrodosPet Sep 2016 #142

That's not even close to reality Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #148

You are correct FrodosPet Sep 2016 #158

What? Egnever Sep 2016 #156

Yes it is FrodosPet Sep 2016 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author X_Digger Sep 2016 #266

I see the "always back the badge" crowd is here and in full roar RonniePudding Sep 2016 #141

I see the "always blame the cops" crowd is here and in full roar. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #150

Well boo hoo RonniePudding Sep 2016 #151

LOL NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #152

Oh. I get it. He deserved what he got. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #157

Deserved it no Egnever Sep 2016 #160

Awwww. You make it all sound so clinical. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #168

You mean the mitigating fact she lied about? Egnever Sep 2016 #172

Heh-heh. Another torpedo below the forward stack. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #203

"Why did they have to fuck with him in the first place?" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #181

As I posted above... pintobean Sep 2016 #163

Yes, I did have such a thread Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #165

You miss the point when it's clearly stated. pintobean Sep 2016 #166

No, I didn't miss the point. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #169

The dead guy was the bad guy Egnever Sep 2016 #174

No, I would not have Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #184

I am fine with melting every single one of them Egnever Sep 2016 #213

This is false uponit7771 Sep 2016 #211

What is false? Egnever Sep 2016 #214

That he was bad... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #215

The fuck? Egnever Sep 2016 #217

Not at the time he was murdered by the cops... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #219

LOL Egnever Sep 2016 #220

Yes at the time he was shot in an armed confrontation with bighart Sep 2016 #228

Oh, I think it's fair to assume at this point that he was a fairly bad guy. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #223

Yes, accuse me of lying pintobean Sep 2016 #185

An if I did? Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #186

Because in this scenario Uponthegears Sep 2016 #164

Umm, they have a man in custody who has admitted to selling him the gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #171

It's really convenient. If the guy in custody had the gun, ecstatic Sep 2016 #235

What color is the sky in your world? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #239

Hrmm. Crickets, I see. n/t X_Digger Sep 2016 #268

They did...see the OP. nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #178

Amen...que the "you're stupid because you won't take the cops word for it" ad homs uponit7771 Sep 2016 #208

The man is dead for fucks sake. Stfu already. onecaliberal Sep 2016 #207

The police in this case are going to be scrutinized endlessly. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #210

This was posted in service to the living. There is incredible hypocrisy here. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #224

I wouldn't call it hypocrisy. These things aren't always so clear cut. onecaliberal Sep 2016 #253

No. pintobean Sep 2016 #270

The truth is there is plenty of reasons for black people to be skeptical onecaliberal Sep 2016 #276

Absolutely Egnever Sep 2016 #296

It looked like the cop planted the gun. Lunabell Sep 2016 #231

"Who has access to stolen guns? " Keith Scott. It's now documented how he purchased this one. Bonx Sep 2016 #234

Documented by who? The cops who killed him? They could have been carrying the stolen gun ecstatic Sep 2016 #237

Then they hiked up his cuff and threw an ankle holster on him...all by the time he hit the ground. jmg257 Sep 2016 #238

Secret police ninjas planted the holster on his leg Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #244

I blame the Chinese. They get up at 4am to play the violin for 8 hrs, do math for another 8 hrs jmg257 Sep 2016 #248

This post right here is why I am so pissed at the media Egnever Sep 2016 #257

Its fucking amazing really..we hear about how stolen guns are used to commit jmg257 Sep 2016 #243

It is crazy isn't it Egnever Sep 2016 #259

So that's grounds for summary execution in your opinion? brush Sep 2016 #241

He exited the vehicle with the gun in his hand. He was then told to drop the weapon. These jonno99 Sep 2016 #252

Post a link to him getting out of the car with the gun in his hand. brush Sep 2016 #254

So I just want to be clear here. Egnever Sep 2016 #261

not real clear,but google gave this Go Vols Sep 2016 #262

A good recreation there Egnever Sep 2016 #264

Absolutely. How many times have we seen that cops lie to cover their ass brush Sep 2016 #269

Got it Egnever Sep 2016 #272

The ankle holster doesn't mean the gun is in his hand. He could have left it in the car brush Sep 2016 #277

Yea unicorns can pop out of my butt too Egnever Sep 2016 #279

You believe everything cops say. I don't. We've seen too many time where they lie brush Sep 2016 #283

Has nothing to do with belief it is on video for all to see Egnever Sep 2016 #285

Not so. Post a link where it shows the gun in his hand. brush Sep 2016 #287

All major PD's are hiring. When will your application go in? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #304

Why should the cops believe her saying he had a TBI bighart Sep 2016 #303

Can't follow police instructions, but can drive an SUV. jmg257 Sep 2016 #314

so you would think hfojvt Sep 2016 #290

Who knows for sure, but of all those cops one of them should have been . . . brush Sep 2016 #291

She completely blew her own credibility with the cops bighart Sep 2016 #305

There's no photo evidence of Scott holding a gun in his hand, no matter what the alt right uponit7771 Sep 2016 #309

I didn't say there was photo evidence bighart Sep 2016 #313

Just so you know, the gun is a .380. Not sure how that jives with the wife's 9mm statement. jmg257 Sep 2016 #315

That written statement should have triggered an investigation pintobean Sep 2016 #318

Agreed Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #319

Gee, I wonder if any other cases are ever decided without photo evidence. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #324

Technicallity vs morality, no gun no benefit of the doubt given to PD who haven't earned it uponit7771 Sep 2016 #338

We obviously have differing opinions of law enforcement. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #339

I don't especially when they don't have a good relationship with citizens they're supposed to serve uponit7771 Sep 2016 #347

Your benefit of the doubt is totally irrelevant. pintobean Sep 2016 #340

And you know for sure that she knew he had a gun? How do you know that? brush Sep 2016 #322

I do not know for sure that she knew he had a gun. bighart Sep 2016 #329

She was yelling he didn't have a gun when he obviously did Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #332

No, many orange wallet shootings with no gun in the victims hand... people act like the police uponit7771 Sep 2016 #308

You got it uponit7771 Sep 2016 #307

There is no photo evidence of a gun in Scott's hand, NOT ONE uponit7771 Sep 2016 #306

There doesn't need to be Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #310

here's a challenge just for you! TheSarcastinator Sep 2016 #311

Cruthcer in Tulsa the DAY BEFORE THIS ONE bighart Sep 2016 #317

Agreed. That was a bad shoot. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #325

Clear as day Egnever Sep 2016 #326

Walter Scott kudzu22 Sep 2016 #334

This is false on its face in this context, good try though uponit7771 Sep 2016 #312

What is false on its face in this context? bighart Sep 2016 #346

Was the gun up and pointed or was the gun down? DeltaLitProf Oct 2016 #353