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How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans [View all] FarCenter Jun 2012 OP

and then fled to northern industrial cities looking for work, where they were exploited further, dionysus Jun 2012 #1

Oh great, right wingers will use this as justification for saying slavery was better. Zalatix Jun 2012 #2

They have already been doing that for decades, if not hundreds of years Major Nikon Jun 2012 #7

Their argument, back in the 1840s and 50s, was that slaves were better off as slaves than coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #9

The same bunch that said "give me freedom or give me death"? Zalatix Jun 2012 #10

Modern version... Major Nikon Jun 2012 #11

Thanks for making the point. It was my immediate thought as soon as I saw it, too. Hideous. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #13

All because the Union wasn't willing to grant the slaves the rights to THEIR PROPERTY Scootaloo Jun 2012 #3

Slaves should have owned New York City. They built a lot of it. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #4

I guess the Chinese should have owned the railroads then. dkf Jun 2012 #8

maybe. why not? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #12

+1,000! Zalatix Jun 2012 #18

And the Irish should've owned all the houses? Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #45

that may have been true in 1865 hfojvt Jun 2012 #34

so what? slaves cleared built a lot of pre-colonial and colonial NY. they laid the foundations HiPointDem Jun 2012 #35

my house has a foundation hfojvt Jun 2012 #40

a city needs *labor* to be built. without slaves there would not have been enough *labor* HiPointDem Jun 2012 #41

But people built New York before then. And of course people have built most of it after that time.nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #46

people built ny before the pre-colonial period? slaves were in NY from its foundation & did most HiPointDem Jun 2012 #48

So did the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the English, you name it. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #56

Not anywhere near the role that slavery played in building NYC, both through direct slave labor & HiPointDem Jun 2012 #58

a big chunk of the money that built it "after that time" came from financing the slave trade and HiPointDem Jun 2012 #49

Somehow, I think it would have been different had Lincoln lived. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #5

Absolutely. Andrew Johnson was one of the worst presidents bhikkhu Jun 2012 #6

Unfortunately, there wasn't enough will in the North LuvNewcastle Jun 2012 #14

And as the descendant of one of those northern soldiers I am not foolish enough to think that most jwirr Jun 2012 #28

Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team) Christopher44 Jun 2012 #15

I think I would prefer to die on my feet than live on my knees REP Jun 2012 #16

slaves macrolly Jun 2012 #17

Is this in English? GCP Jun 2012 #19

Say what? UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #20

wut? alphafemale Jun 2012 #22

Well, doing American soldiers really isn't great work. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #23

Opinions vary... n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #31

who could argue with those fine words? spanone Jun 2012 #36

lol deutsey Jun 2012 #53

"site struts 2jquery" EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2012 #37

Undoubtedly true, yet ... surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #21

I believe they were more capable at handling famine and food shortages than their former owners. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #24

5 or 6 more generations? Seriously? Zalatix Jun 2012 #51

I also said if at all... YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #52

I didn't read the study, but saying lots of freed slaves died 1862-1870 is meaningless... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #25

It's always a good idea to state the obvious. So few do, and are surprised by it when it's uttered. Igel Jun 2012 #32

Many of the blacks who owned frogmarch Jun 2012 #43

I think those who did that, then freed the relatives they had bought. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #44

On an episode of frogmarch Jun 2012 #47

Reconstruction failed, and we are still paying for that failure. bemildred Jun 2012 #26

So this author assumes there weren't deaths related to being a slave. And his assumption that jwirr Jun 2012 #27

The 40-acres-and-a-mule "promise" was limited in area and in duration. Igel Jun 2012 #29

Dufuskee. the Geechee Gullah culture. alphafemale Jun 2012 #42

+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #50

How do you think native Americans were defeated? Tsiyu Jun 2012 #54

KICK NT Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #30

that so-called English 'gentleman' Thomas Carlyle wanted us to starve as welll - malaise Jun 2012 #33

"He himself cannot work." Tsiyu Jun 2012 #55

I would not have judged the freed slaves poorly if they had taken their back pay by force. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #38

a more correct title: "Poor transition plan led to starvation and death for millions of black..." maggiesfarmer Jun 2012 #39

Millions of black slaves didn't die; this is a bullshit thesis. OP title is false. kwassa Jun 2012 #57

I think in addition that one can't minimize the role that actual murder played once reconstruction HiPointDem Jun 2012 #59