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malthaussen

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17. To what extent shall expediency or efficiency outweigh rights?

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:09 PM

Jun 2012

The central question of the Bill of Rights. Remember, those things were put in to rein in coercion, not make it easier.

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Drones Over US to Get Weaponized... [View all] Indi Guy Jun 2012 OP

What Could Possibly Go Wrong? tularetom Jun 2012 #1

Nothing Could Go Wrong William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #20

they call it collateral damage. zeemike Jun 2012 #25

could also be that they have read the intel on climate change and know roguevalley Jun 2012 #55

If you aren't a terrorist, you have nothing to fear. Or a protester. Or black. Or a woman. Or ... DirkGently Jun 2012 #31

What could possibly go wrong with officers having guns? treestar Jun 2012 #73

You mean what has gone wrong with officers having guns, tasers, and billy clubs. JoeyT Jun 2012 #78

Vote Ludite. xtraxritical Jun 2012 #81

Never thought I'd see a DEMOCRAT cheering for a police state. Zalatix Jun 2012 #88

So this is Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel's personal wish list. randome Jun 2012 #2

Denials, all the way up to the very end. Zalatix Jun 2012 #54

Do you see how easily dotymed Jun 2012 #93

a very progressive person I know is okay with drones because... grasswire Jun 2012 #94

If history is any indicator, dotymed Jun 2012 #96

Before anyone (Sid) can LOL at RT, here is another source: morningfog Jun 2012 #3

I can see the increased sales of RC Jun 2012 #5

But it means you always have to be watching. zeemike Jun 2012 #26

+1000 n/t Indi Guy Jun 2012 #50

I think this should be a sporting affair, so I'm leaning towards spud guns Kennah Jun 2012 #59

Right. Good thinking on the parabolic mike and infrared. daaron Jun 2012 #71

This is Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel's wish list. I doubt he'll get what he wants. randome Jun 2012 #8

What makes you doubt he'll get what he wants? What is the basis? morningfog Jun 2012 #68

This is why The Lord hath given shotguns unto us . Webster Green Jun 2012 #4

I'm sure a shotgun would be really effective against a drone aiming at a crowd of innocent people. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #49

This combined with very high charges for parade and demonstration permits will chill speech. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #6

You know, LEGALLY, the police have the right to hover a mini-armed drone over every protester. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #11

sooooooooo true. Vattel Jun 2012 #19

The solution is obvious: take the humans out of the equation DavidDvorkin Jun 2012 #7

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong? Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #10

Careful, human! DavidDvorkin Jun 2012 #35

"Drone blew up the Occupy protesters' car in self-defense!" Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #9

Ah, perfect....a drone "Stand Your Ground" law... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #12

After all, if police dogs are counted as police, why not unmanned drones? Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #13

Yup, you've been warned. And you better stay off that drone's cloud! freshwest Jun 2012 #45

your tax dollars at work. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #14

if obama can do it, why not your local crimina...umm police dept nt msongs Jun 2012 #15

We are becoming the new fucking East Germany. Vattel Jun 2012 #16

Vattel Diclotican Jun 2012 #65

Very quickly. dotymed Jun 2012 #75

To what extent shall expediency or efficiency outweigh rights? malthaussen Jun 2012 #17

with this current supreme court, unconstitutional is out of the question spanone Jun 2012 #18

Oh goody.... emilyg Jun 2012 #21

Keeping in mind, local police departments are subject to elections and local pressure bhikkhu Jun 2012 #22

Ah but there you go. Savannahmann Jun 2012 #30

You're reading my mind lunatica Jun 2012 #37

Unless it's done just to Occupy protesters. Zalatix Jun 2012 #89

An enterprising individual could develop drones and robots HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #23

I had the same thought. zeemike Jun 2012 #28

Yes, it it is also possible HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #32

Soon to become highly illegal in our police state lunatica Jun 2012 #38

Deceptive headline. MineralMan Jun 2012 #24

It is what the sheriff wants, and is working for. morningfog Jun 2012 #53

The headline is still deceptive. MineralMan Jun 2012 #72

It may be a bit premature. "To get" is not "will get" or"are getting". morningfog Jun 2012 #74

Police need to wake up and stop wanting these things... Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Jun 2012 #27

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this as a problem jp11 Jun 2012 #29

Congress launched the campaign for broader use of drones siligut Jun 2012 #33

Here we go Meiko Jun 2012 #34

It makes one wonder why they think these weapons are necessary lunatica Jun 2012 #39

Its usally the cops that incite the riots... HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #46

Precisely... n/t Indi Guy Jun 2012 #58

OK, now I am concerned. Will have to examine this carefully. nt stevenleser Jun 2012 #36

What did you discover? n/t Indi Guy Jun 2012 #91

Nothing yet. Haven't started to research. nt stevenleser Jun 2012 #92

It is time to end the lionizing of those in uniform(those who protect the powerful). Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #40

What happens if they go wrong and attack us? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #41

"They" Oneka Jun 2012 #64

So if the 'terrorists' get a hold of them? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #80

Ever notice how these are the only kinds of things we're #1 at anymore? Marr Jun 2012 #42

These are a little dated, but - RC Jun 2012 #43

Wow, that's depressing woo me with science Jun 2012 #76

And what is worse now, is that the stats are worse. RC Jun 2012 #82

Looks like the "armed drones= tinfoil hatters" crowd owes an apology. Zalatix Jun 2012 #44

Our tax dollars return home at last. 'I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords...' freshwest Jun 2012 #47

I've got one thing to say felix_numinous Jun 2012 #48

I predict Detroit will receive the first shot. sarcasmo Jun 2012 #51

What did we say when the idea of drones here first came out???? REMEMBER????? dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #52

We are looking at four more years of growing the police state, woo me with science Jun 2012 #56

Move along, nothing to see here. Zax2me Jun 2012 #57

Q: ~ Where are our progressive reps on this?... Indi Guy Jun 2012 #85

"Terminator" coming to a neighborhood near you. ErikJ Jun 2012 #60

It's understandable given the number of vaginas in the country Kennah Jun 2012 #61

excellent point - they are an unruly lot rurallib Jun 2012 #67

Skynet is People My Friends! solarman350 Jun 2012 #62

Freedumb! Freedumb! Freedumb! blkmusclmachine Jun 2012 #63

Indi Guy Diclotican Jun 2012 #66

The resemblence is interesting isn't it... Indi Guy Jun 2012 #84

Indi Guy Diclotican Jun 2012 #86

Yeah, it seems that sci fi has a way of finding its way into reality... Indi Guy Jun 2012 #90

somewhere in a dark basement surrounded by Cheetos, Frank Luntz and Assoc. rurallib Jun 2012 #69

Yes. Maybe the "Neighborhood Watch Officer". Drones are people too. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #77

OK, this is pretty fucked up. And dangerous for both the people and cops. Here's why --> daaron Jun 2012 #70

Imagine the wolves Sarah can get with one of these! n/t cyberpj Jun 2012 #79

Fucking A. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #83

'Drones over America. Are they spying on you?' ~ From The Christian Science Monitor... Indi Guy Jun 2012 #87

This will be the last one though right? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #95