Well...to be charitable...Obama had just never seen things the way many of us see them...... (Reply #292)

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Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:51 PM

KoKo (84,711 posts)

292. Well...to be charitable...Obama had just never seen things the way many of us see them......

He was very young and helped along the way. It's hard to look at "who helped you" and not be grateful.

That's the only thing that makes sense to me...but, I'm open to argument about my opinion...but don't want "Troll Trashing" because that stuff just turns me off.

I think some of us have reasoned opinions and you are one of them...who can see from both sides.

If one reads like the "serious of us" across ...trying to make sense and understand...WHY Obama seems to some of us like some kind of TRAGIC morph of Bush II back to Reagan Administation...we see that there are NO ANSWERS...just PUSH BACK...PUSH BACK...not taking into consideration that most of us here that I reply to are LIFE LONG VOTING DEMS...who back in the OLD DU DAYS...used to think we were trying to HOLD THE FORT FOR DEMS...

It's gotten ALL SCREWED UP!

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I am so utterly sick of this Third Way shit. [View all]	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	OP
Congratulations, you found the loophole.	tridim	Jun 2012	#1
Poverty, homelessness and hunger are growing daily	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#2
Ever heard of Congress??	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#6
The Congress that rejected the three Bush "free" trade agreements	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#8
Maybe	ProSense	Jun 2012	#10
I totally	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#13
Suggestion:	ProSense	Jun 2012	#18
Now THAT was funny!	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#19
He found plenty of them when he introduced his bill to defend ACORN	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#346
It's: "I accept the 20 lashes because it is sooo much better than 40. Thank you master." nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#42
No, it's: I'm not gullible to RW bullshit tactics. n/t	ProSense	Jun 2012	#102
When I say I dont like our government's free-trade agreements,	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#188
Now rick.	Jakes Progress	Jun 2012	#327
Then there are a couple of DUers who appear to be Obama-shills.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#222
And what about dipshits who will fall over themselves to launch hate at Obama?	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#230
Your post is way off and	They_Live	Jun 2012	#234
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#236
Sid you shill...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#261
bout the same	They_Live	Jun 2012	#263
I'm happy for you	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#245
Absolutley GODDAMN DIPSHIT	They_Live	Jun 2012	#262
And here comes the hyperbolic pants-wetting	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#266
I really have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here.	They_Live	Jun 2012	#281
Excellent!	kurtzapril4	Jun 2012	#285
I'm sure we have little in common	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#294
I'm not sure I understand where you draw the line	They_Live	Jun 2012	#300
Huffpo is kind of the online lefty version of the National Enquirer	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#321
...and another thing	They_Live	Jun 2012	#302
oK.... as far as those points you made,	They_Live	Jun 2012	#291
Now we can attempt a conversation	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#305
Oh..	They_Live	Jun 2012	#322
Or you'll what?	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#330
So the president has no power is what you're saying?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#320
You can see what I'm saying, in my post	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#325
Thank you, I've never seen an uglier post.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#375
Somewhat proving JD's point, I would say. n/t	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#274
And who does the USTR report to?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#297
+1000	Bobbie Jo	Jun 2012	#368
Thank You.	They_Live	Jun 2012	#233
...typed a Smoove Johnny-shill, with a straight face...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#260
JDP, I truly wish I could recommend this reply	tpsbmam	Jun 2012	#264
+1000!	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2012	#267
Yep. Yet we're not supposed to mention the obvious...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#307
yep, bullseye. What I do is usually ignore them	quinnox	Jun 2012	#318
It isn't so much that I disagree with them but that, as you explain, their posts	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#435
+1	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#329
Looks like you incurred the longest swarm yet. But tread lightly. The Neighborhood Watch	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#360
+1	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#412
OH COME ON, MANNY!!!	Skittles	Jun 2012	#80
Not entirely true.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#93
You're just mad cause you didn't get your pony.	progressoid	Jun 2012	#104
LOL	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#110
HEHE	Skittles	Jun 2012	#450
Actually	ProSense	Jun 2012	#100
Really? All sense of honest discussion out the window	Jakes Progress	Jun 2012	#356
False choice	kenfrequed	Jun 2012	#254
No not that one, the Tea Party one that is obstructing everything and took America hostage.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#12
So you don't want to talk about the one	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#15
Why, it only advances RW causes and fuels the fire for discouraging voter turnout for Obama.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#23
What if... Obama just stopped doing this awful shit	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#24
I'm not the one in fear, I'm the one voting for him.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#25
Seems like I misread your post then.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#26
Now...	MrMickeysMom	Jun 2012	#28
Absolutely nailed it, Manny!	bvar22	Jun 2012	#304
"WHAT IF...OBAMA JUST STOPPED DOING THIS AWFUL SHIT	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#416
I, for one, would be quite happy to be all "forward"	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#441
The RW causes being advanced were/are the Free Trade Agreements.	NCTraveler	Jun 2012	#200
Isn't it Hillary's State Department that does the nitty-gritty negotiations	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#228
I don't think Obama is left of the Clinton's. I also don't view the Clinton's themselves as being left	NCTraveler	Jun 2012	#243
why trouble your beautiful mind?	frylock	Jun 2012	#204
As soon as I see Democrats actually fighting ..	sendero	Jun 2012	#140
Thank you. I agree with your logical statements. n/t	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#442
Again, if Congress is the problem,	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#227
crickets	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#244
I remember the Truman and Johnson administrations.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#277
Well...to be charitable...Obama had just never seen things the way many of us see them......	KoKo	Jun 2012	#292
Those numbers speak volumes, JD	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#295
What a great post.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#314
Wow, those are some sobering numbers.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#323
Seeds of its own destruction..	Why Syzygy	Jun 2012	#60
heh.	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2012	#269
I don't wonder anymore.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#312
The only time the whitehouse changes hands	nineteen50	Jun 2012	#239
Tough to hide behind the Congress skirt when they are cut out of the loop	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#103
Obama has only used his veto twice.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#219
The Congress that keeps Obama from going to Wisconsin?	Creideiki	Jun 2012	#268
No no no no no!	kurtzapril4	Jun 2012	#289
Also, 2 possible Supreme Court nominees.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#14
Actually, that's about all I have left to be hopeful about nt	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#17
Even THAT Silver Cloud comes with a dark lining.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#272
Yep, and considering his administration	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#340
More hostages.	hay rick	Jun 2012	#31
yes, very cheneyesque	frylock	Jun 2012	#207
Supreme court and abortion. That's all we've got left from "The Great Society".	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#39
Since Obama deadenders here claim he has no power	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#152
And a damn good reason as any.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#202
I agree.	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#215
"Obama deadenders"?...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#213
Exactly.nt	Bobbie Jo	Jun 2012	#369
What do you mean "also?" That's more than enough reason in and of itself.	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#348
Yeah, yeah, we know. Every criticism is perceived as an attack on Obama,	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#16
Thanks for the sanity, woo.	russspeakeasy	Jun 2012	#30
This is run away from like Godzilla, Woo.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#38
Don't bother playing the cult of personality card on me.	tridim	Jun 2012	#50
I do not monitor the thoughts of individual voters at the polls and hadn't seen you post so I wasn't	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#225
It's idiotic to assume that adult Democrats vote on personality alone.	tridim	Jun 2012	#271
My claim is that the dialog is fixed on personality. Internal thought may vary, observable reaction	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#449
You are spot on. There is always a diversion from the policy.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#174
+1!	rudycantfail	Jun 2012	#270
There are no more pawns left on our side, they were taken out of the game early.	bahrbearian	Jun 2012	#216
The silence is deafening.	raouldukelives	Jun 2012	#43
No more true words have ever been spoken, woo. Thanks. nt	riderinthestorm	Jun 2012	#49
great post. You nailed it.	bbgrunt	Jun 2012	#54
Can't let this post go	laundry_queen	Jun 2012	#55
+ a million	Quantess	Jun 2012	#58
This is nothing new. Anyone who thought Obama would be immune from it is kidding themselves.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#62
You are right. We should just accept it. Because voting is the only viable	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#74
Nah, just lower your expectations. Then you get surprised once in awhile.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#76
Ever heard of 'aim for the sky and you might hit a tree'?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#113
Hit me up when we have politicians who are worthy of high expectations.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#115
We will get closer to what we want when we aim for what we want. Low expectation voters	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#128
I know of no single politician who is worthy of my expectations.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#130
Yes, let's just wait for them...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#175
"just lower your expectations"	bvar22	Jun 2012	#328
Does it help	chervilant	Jun 2012	#75
Not makig fun. I come here for political discussion.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#79
hmm...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#432
No, the outrage is not "amusing."	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#85
It's inconsequential.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#88
You need to study history. nt	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#90
So today, criticism of Obama does not mean risking a Romney presidency.	Marr	Jun 2012	#95
No, forum posts have little effect on certain policies.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#109
...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#176
So you've changed your mind then?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#315
Nope.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#317
Obama said he WASN'T going to do it	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#365
Most likely not.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#414
Oh so he said he ain't going to do it.	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#467
Because there isn't enough outrage, yet. But it's building.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#410
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	Jun 2012	#71
Corporation's	Phlem	Jun 2012	#89
Thank you for this post. And it is happening because, up to now, we too have gone along with the	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#99
+ a gazillion.	chervilant	Jun 2012	#106
Those are just talking points, intended to distract. You notice those who disseminate	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#131
You only get either no response or emails with no follow-up? How do the fund raisers overlook you?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#169
Lol, no, we are not overlooked by the fundraisers!	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#460
Amen.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#177
it's the system, the game, theater.	tomp	Jun 2012	#142
Well said.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#161
precisely; there's really only One Way- the Money Way. nt	StarryNight	Jun 2012	#173
Thank you, woo. Very well said. eom	truth2power	Jun 2012	#183
its Facism	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#193
"This agreement would reinstate important reforms like expansion of the program to cover	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#223
You are so right. Making every issue "about" Obama personally,	Raksha	Jun 2012	#251
Brilliant post, woo. Thanks! nt	tpsbmam	Jun 2012	#265
Yeah,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#70
do you want Raw Money in there	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#185
You voted for McCain in 2008? Because Obama wasn't ready?	Autumn	Jun 2012	#257
Lol!	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#308
A McCain voter coming to lecture us to vote for Liberals.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#337
I know, but at least s/he was open about it!	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#339
...and showing more honesty and willingness to Face the Truth...	bvar22	Jun 2012	#458
Whatever he is, I have just five words: three more Supreme Court Justices.	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#342
'Loophole'? Take off the blinders.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#431
Land mines, Manny, land mines.	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#3
So who's in charge of that agency now?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#11
Manny, the laws and resultant policies and directives	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#20
Senators are yelling about this, and	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#21
"Less time than it takes to have dinner with bankers, I'd think."	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#22
I've worked in the federal bureaucracy. We knew where the rules came from.	freedom fighter jh	Jun 2012	#147
Information memos, instructional bulletins, Solicitor's Opinions,	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#170
Yes, you're right, I forgot about court orders.	freedom fighter jh	Jun 2012	#275
Sucks, yes it does.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#4
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#35
The nerve to support a Democrat? Horrors.	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#40
The post you were responding to got hidden yesterday, yet the poster continued to post in this	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#384
Whats up with THAT?	bvar22	Jun 2012	#425
Not sure. I also noted in another OP that the OP author rec'd his own OP.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#430
Some "more equal" than others?	bvar22	Jun 2012	#447
If you click on the hidden post it wasn't hidden until the day after it was posted.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#445
I was wrong. you are absolutely correct.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#455
oh shit.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#179
Help me dion. They're starting to become a blur. They've converted from "Third Way" to uber-libera	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#203
yes, watching stone DLCers "morph" into Kucinizens to cover for the poutrage is priceless...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#237
I think it's even worse than that. I think they're, somewhere, magically to the left of Chavez now.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#241
do note however... some people really are just Naderites. the only reason you	dionysus	Jun 2012	#242
It really is that simple, isn't it? Mutual hatred for Bush united us, which is another reason I'll	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#249
I have plenty of nerve. And a lot more than just nasty snark which is all you post.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#206
"I have plenty of nerve". I knew we could find a point of agreement.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#211
MPAA?! Wtf?	abelenkpe	Jun 2012	#5
Oh my!	ProSense	Jun 2012	#7
Seems apropos:	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#9
Well... The Wood Chipper WOULD Be Faster...	WillyT	Jun 2012	#27
Says the guy who supported Hillary, Queen of the DLC. Just too funny. Third Way?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#29
$50 if you find evidence of that.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#33
Not looking for it, but I have a long memory. How's that "cleansing" coming?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#34
Long and really shitty.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#36
You have an agenda Manny. Why don't you fess up, and let us all in on it. Frankly, I don't....	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#44
Find a post where I support Hillary for Prez, I'll confess all	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#47
Not looking in the archives, but if you say so. Then it's so.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#57
Well the works been done for you, down thread	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#61
Don't know what's going on "downthread", but I think my questions were pretty clear?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#65
You can't even take the time to read the clear refutation of your awful charge.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#78
New Rules for DU3:	bvar22	Jun 2012	#335
Dear Lord that's awesome!	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#341
Day-Yum!	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#466
LMAO	iamthebandfanman	Jun 2012	#84
I may have been wrong about Manny's primary support, but you're still in fuckin' Kentucky!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#87
"Massive ego"	chervilant	Jun 2012	#105
That type of posting behavior in NOT spawned by a massive ego.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#428
and you were an avid bush supporter..	frylock	Jun 2012	#209
Touche!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#212
Wow...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#86
In case you didn't notice, we didn't have a primary. The incumbent is our candidate.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#96
OMG!	chervilant	Jun 2012	#98
A lot of things are a "pale semblance" of my youth. Rotary phones, B&W teevee, whooping cough....	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#114
Yeah,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#149
!!!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#201
Not sure what Party you are in, the Democratic Party held primaries this year, I voted Obama.	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#184
Brilliantly stated. n/t	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#443
Thank you.	chervilant	Jun 2012	#462
boom goes the dynamite...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#238
Do you think I'm a Republican shill? nt	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#299
Where the hell did you come up with THAT?	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#45
Nope.	Starry Messenger	Jun 2012	#51
I am blown away that someone would actually check that out and come to my defense	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#59
Ahaha, I did some digging, too. It's all so clear.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#64
No, that makes no sense. No more than the other false claim made.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#116
All in my experience.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#120
Certainly not your experience on DU. I think DUers have been very clear about what exactly	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#124
You can't pretend to know my experience of DU.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#125
You can think whatever you want, the only people with rose colored glasses on are still wearing them	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#248
Good Points Sabrina 1.......	KoKo	Jun 2012	#282
Those are all valid reasons people push back against Obama for keeping campaign promises.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#316
You mean like Offshore Drilling? And Mandated Insurance?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#334
I'm sorry you don't remember, but Obama was for offshore drilling.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#345
"Obama Slammed Opponent McCain’s Offshore Drilling Plan as ‘Political Posturing'"	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#367
Obama flipped after he was nominated but before we voted for him.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#370
He evolved about a lot of things once he got the nomination. So what is your point?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#374
My point is that he's been consistent and done everything he said he do within his power.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#377
"Any bill I sign must include... a public option..."	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#379
Krugman pointed out that naivety.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#381
Can you provide a link?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#382
Sure.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#383
I get the mandate - but what does that have to do with a public option?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#385
It was a political miscalculation.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#387
So Scott Brown was elected before Obama deep-sized the public option	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#391
Yep, and they said "we'll try again next year." Of course, then we let the teabaggers win.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#393
Scott Brown was elected many months AFTER Obama agreed to drop the public option	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#395
The Public Option was still alive Nov. 8th. 2009. Scott Brown got elected on Jan. 28, 2010.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#396
NY Times	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#397
Ted Kennedy was on his death bed when that article was written. What are you saying?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#400
So? In June of 2009, when Obama ceded a meaningful public option to Pharma and Hospitals in	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#406
He didn't do that. He merely opened up the door for the possiblity of wrangling.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#408
So you're claiming that the NY Times is wrong?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#434
Sen. Barack Obama explains his opposition to lifting the ban on off-shore drilling.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#392
I think you linked the wrong thing.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#394
Go to the first video on the left under the one you posted.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#404
Yep, it is too bad, glad he did it before the elections.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#405
All I want of Obama/Biden is the same level of government	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#446
agreed..its because he had such an opportunity to be a hero when we needed one..and he chose	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#247
I remembered, but felt some links for back up would be effective. :)	Starry Messenger	Jun 2012	#68
We need to apologize for everything these days.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#112
You're a liar. Manny NEVER supported Clinton in the primaries. nt	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#66
Not necessarily a liar, but it would've been easy to check before alleging it.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#72
Don't you think that attempting character assassination without checking the facts is pretty awful?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#77
Yes, it was horrible, no doubt.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#83
And the lack of an apology?	Marr	Jun 2012	#101
Eh, most of that exchange happened before the post was made.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#107
Most people wouldn't make such a misinformed statement about another DUer, would they?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#118
I don't know, I've been called quite a few things by people I felt were misinformed.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#121
No it's not a valid insult, it's just a plain old personal attack trying to distract from the real	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#126
It would be if it were true, you even admit that they were nasty.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#127
The lie was not in the error re the candidate he supported.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#226
It is political.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#309
No, never call people names, not even Bush, as I rely on facts more than stupid name-calling	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#336
Sure, here's one.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#351
So no name-calling, thank you. What you call 'boxing people in' is generally called stating	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#355
I'm not convinced you've ever convinced me I've been wrong about anything ever.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#357
Well, I don't really care whether you admitted to being wrong or not.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#361
Fair enough.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#366
I disagree, people learn when those who bring non-facts to the table are corrected.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#373
Same here!	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#376
Hello??? Your link proves the exact opposite of what you claim.	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#474
More hateful insults.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#476
Yes, more hateful insults to people's intelligence and reading comprehension coming from you.	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#480
I can't imagine anyone clicking that link and considering it "concealing one's true motives."	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#481
You've been trying to discredit Sabrina and others here	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#487
OK, whatever you say. Make it personal.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#488
Perfect case in point: who are you accusing of making bigoted statements -	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#489
+100000	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#187
The poster got a post hidden yesterday, so theoretically he cant post here.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#386
Yep, looks like they got booted from the thread.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#388
Wrong placement.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#389
Oh gosh, and I must be his enabler.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#399
Very sorry. I didnt intend that post for you. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#421
They get booted from the thread?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#409
Hillary is Democrat. What is wrong with democrats supporting a democrat?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#407
Given that the truth was given to the person	iamthebandfanman	Jun 2012	#82
Wait up, if that poster is on ignore, there's nothing to "look at."	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#108
My, my. Just look at the contortions you're going through to cover for them, though. nt	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#117
Oh gosh, I am just putting a sense of perspective.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#119
He kinda looks like	Caretha	Jun 2012	#160
when first said it was a mistake	SwampG8r	Jun 2012	#143
As of this post the posts still have their times shown on the right there.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#144
Your lack of an apology here makes you seem unprincipled and unworthy of regard.	Marr	Jun 2012	#97
Ad hominem to avoid actual discussion. Weak sauce.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#162
I, too, long for the good old days.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#32
China and Germany practice protectionism now. Yet they're being hailed for their success.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#37
Well of course they are. Both those governments have to care for their people as both are prone to	Egalitarian Thug	Jun 2012	#46
We have so few advocates for protectionism now.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#129
Fortunately the public is STRONGLY in favor of protectionism now.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#132
Google the Trans Pacific Trade agreement, now in the works	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#444
I know, my friend.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#454
I completely understand and sympathize. It's the classic Hobson's choice.	Egalitarian Thug	Jun 2012	#41
Our government is supposed to work with checks and balances. Except for Sen Wyden (D-Ore.),	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#48
The extreme right-wing looniness allows Obama to	bbgrunt	Jun 2012	#52
The debt ceiling debate, the health insurance negotiations....	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#180
So am I and here is a perfect example of the dynamic at work.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#53
It is truly the craziest thing I've ever seen	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#56
I vote for new OP, but I have an even worse ice cream headache for you, which is related:	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#69
That is indeed a puke-worthy thought.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#122
Go for it. Don't expect a civics lesson.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#73
Then,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#91
Huh? I can't express my bemusement from the thousandth thread on these subjects?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#111
I haven't seen any comment from you on the actual issue.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#135
I must remember that entertainment and amusement is the primary issue for some.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#137
I'm familiar. It applies to states like the US as well as totalitarian states.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#145
I really don't know why you think the process of rightward drift is inevitable.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#146
Until the democratic party is united, as opposed to effectively 3 parties in one...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#148
I don't feel like we are talking to each other, but AROUND each other.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#150
Fair enough, you inaccurately blame the middle grounders, I blame the demographics.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#151
That is more clear.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#153
I'm saying Obama's right in the middle, straddling both sides.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#155
Americans Will Say They're Conservatives Untill You Ask Them About The Issues	raindaddy	Jun 2012	#189
I'm talking about issues here.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#313
Instead of looking at what you like to "think",	bvar22	Jun 2012	#437
We don't have to guess at where the American stand regarding issues. All polls taken without	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#290
Yeah, OK, marriage equality only just in 2011 made it past 50% support.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#311
And why did marriage equality finally get support from the American people?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#338
That's right. We fought in courts, we fought on the ground, because the President wasn't...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#354
Well now you are finally making MY point. The people must lead the way. You've been arguing	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#358
Excellent debate rebuttal. nt	ZombieHorde	Jun 2012	#253
He didn't address your post. But I read it and couldn't agree more, you are absolutely correct	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#413
Great posts, as usual	chervilant	Jun 2012	#417
Like this post:	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#156
Let's hope they care.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#138
Let's hope they care enough not to remain silent and to push their elected officials	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#258
I'm pretty sure people stayed home because they were disillusioned by people...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#310
What issue? The only people that see it as an issue are those who can afford iPads.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#420
Wyden certainly does	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#436
hmph...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#415
josh only cares about outrage if it's happening in the middle east	frylock	Jun 2012	#214
I'm a sucker for underdogs.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#401
Which is what this OP is about, underdogs. Don't see much comment on	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#451
I LOVE it.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#429
I wish I could believe the Democrats have been "deftly maneuvered...	ljm2002	Jun 2012	#92
It's the same script over and over again...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#246
This must be a strategy because Laurence O'Donnell did the exact same thing the other night	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#134
Is this intentional or just dumb?	Caretha	Jun 2012	#163
Manny, it's like this.	jtuck004	Jun 2012	#63
I'm only posting	flvegan	Jun 2012	#67
Yup.	Puglover	Jun 2012	#166
The Third Way is the slightly slower lane to the same destination the Repbublicans are headed for.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2012	#81
Well, I say,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#94
Not exactly the same ... We have our differences.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#123
i know it ,that guy	roman7	Jun 2012	#133
He doesn't need to send you a memo unless you are a member of Congress. He does need	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#136
Thanks for this post	cbrer	Jun 2012	#139
I know Manny and	rrHeretic	Jun 2012	#141
Actually, I recommend that you vote, and vote for Democrats	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#158
We have an obligation to	chervilant	Jun 2012	#418
evil in any form needs to be fought and resisted	datasuspect	Jun 2012	#172
Which reminds me...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#419
And another outrage widget hits the shop floor...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#154
Another thoughtless dismissal of a serious issue.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#164
No thread on corrupted US policy/elections is complete till the Canadian clown car shows up.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#194
...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#195
hey Sid, need some extra clown white? you can write "Greewald/Manning 12" on your car windows	dionysus	Jun 2012	#240
He would probably want to spell it correctly. Spelling it "Greewald"would make him look idiotic.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#256
Greewald.. Greenwald.. Douchewald.. doesn't matter much each way...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#259
It's just Dis Mithers being Dis Mithers...nt	morningfog	Jun 2012	#205
...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#210
...	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#279
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#298
Well...maybe I shouldn't have asked "Sid" on this post. I do hope he will get back to me...	KoKo	Jun 2012	#333
He's been locked out of this thread.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#363
oopsie. I didn't know a poster could be locked out of thread they didn't start....oh well.	KoKo	Jun 2012	#364
Yep and his transparency page is now up.	Puglover	Jun 2012	#371
Wow! That's, um, very revealing.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#372
Even Loco Bozo only got up to 54. n/t	QC	Jun 2012	#424
x2	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#461
"Obama's been a tragic disappointment"	trumad	Jun 2012	#157
It's just Manny being Manny...nt	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#168
someone's gotta carry the torch... "...and he was a giant among men..."	dionysus	Jun 2012	#181
And you defending everything he does. No different!	Logical	Jun 2012	#217
Saving this subthread for later. Want to REALLY digest the richness of the dialogue.	Romulox	Jun 2012	#190
I owe you an apology!	NYC_SKP	Jun 2012	#196
The greatest orator of our time is handed a depression	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#303
I'd almost be happy to get third way now.	JoeyT	Jun 2012	#159
+ 100.	HughBeaumont	Jun 2012	#171
Very true, especially compared to Clinton. nt	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#199
Get used to it	Freddie Stubbs	Jun 2012	#165
I worry that people get used to it and feel helpless,	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#178
Yeah. I've noticed that pattern.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#273
Absolutely 100% correct, Bvar22	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#287
Excellent post, it should be an OP.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#301
Agree that this should be an OP.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#319
Exactly. Well put.	Marr	Jun 2012	#378
Very salient observations and	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#468
I've always looked forward to reading your posts	rudycantfail	Jun 2012	#470
+++ and thank you	inna	Jun 2012	#473
These so called "grown-ups" of yours have fracked up the entire world.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#349
k&r for the thread title alone.	Laelth	Jun 2012	#167
Hammers and wood chippers.	Javaman	Jun 2012	#182
To hell with Turd Way. Kicked and rec'd.	Erose999	Jun 2012	#186
Have you noticed? This is a "Third Way" website... nearly all vocal Lefties have been PPRed...	Romulox	Jun 2012	#191
true..there are still some of us who remain but its less interesting and less informative without	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#250
What does Third Way mean?	Jamaal510	Jun 2012	#192
Wiki page is a good start:	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#197
Join the growing crowd	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#198
Heads-up: SPEECH in Ohio @ 1:45 today. Watch live!	proverbialwisdom	Jun 2012	#208
Thank you. Is Halliburton even a U.S. company?	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#218
yup--I've learned to love it	librechik	Jun 2012	#220
What is the legal argument regarding viewing these documents?	treestar	Jun 2012	#221
a new enforceable corporate global governance -- not a big deal, really.	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#326
That is an opinion	treestar	Jun 2012	#362
i love that you're "of the opinion" that the secret trade deal is "too boring" to pay attention to,	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#426
No, but why should Lori Wallach's opinion be one I should	treestar	Jun 2012	#453
The Third Way is a prime example of "The ends (getting elected) justifies the means".	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2012	#224
Third way is the GOP way	porcinaalbastrucaine	Jun 2012	#229
The lesser of two evils has become	bupkus	Jun 2012	#231
I hear what you're saying, Manny. Here's something that's been bothering me for a long time...	truth2power	Jun 2012	#232
In my state primary	porcinaalbastrucaine	Jun 2012	#235
That document doesn't exist, it's a figment of your hate filled imagination.	whatchamacallit	Jun 2012	#252
Read this as an answer on another Liberal website. It might help understand this news a little.	Theross	Jun 2012	#255
Top of the Greatest Threads, with 140 recs.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#276
Kick...Like with Bush II ...I wake up every morning and say "What's Next!" ...	KoKo	Jun 2012	#278
Exactly. I knew he wasn't a raging librul, but I did "hope" (barf)...	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#283
It is nice to see all the recs, and that the liberal and progressives	quinnox	Jun 2012	#280
Still strong? As strong as before?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#286
No, we have lost some, but its good to see	quinnox	Jun 2012	#288
I may be forced to vote republican this year - his name is Obama	on point	Jun 2012	#284
ouch!	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#324
this is EXACTLY how i feel too, Manny. this trade action is classic Clintonian fuckery	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#293
after reading this thread i decided to put 2 members on ignore and guess what	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#296
I just had to clean hamburger bits off of my iPad	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#306
Let me guess, you put the top dog and his # 1 buddy. But the enablers are still running	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#390
I can confirm that my "number of star members ignoring" just jumped by one.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#398
If I were to understand this ...	Bryn	Jun 2012	#331
Good to know that	ProSense	Jun 2012	#332
The three free trade deals estimated to move > 100,000 jobs offshore	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#344
So you're trying to tell us that Ron Wyden is trying to aid Mitt Romney?	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#352
+1	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#427
That's	ProSense	Jun 2012	#440
Actually,	ProSense	Jun 2012	#438
Yes -- why does Obama keep acting like a Republican instead of a Democrat?	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#472
The choir salutes you.	Jakes Progress	Jun 2012	#359
Fuck the choir (whatever that means). n/t	ProSense	Jun 2012	#439
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#452
Disagree	Eastern Winds	Jun 2012	#343
Good post	Oilwellian	Jun 2012	#347
The third way party is almost as bad as the GOP.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#350
In some way they are worse. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#423
Say it isn't so. My heart is deflating, if it is. nt	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#353
That's interesting	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2012	#380
Fucking Halliburton?	Cali_Democrat	Jun 2012	#402
Kick.	pa28	Jun 2012	#403
#162nd rec here	inna	Jun 2012	#410
#163 but I was reluctant. Want to keep Manny humble. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#457
Wow! That sure brightened up my day. n/t	Hotler	Jun 2012	#422
Kicking, because I love this thread.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#433
I love you, Manny.	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#448
Let's not get all maudlin. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#456
I love you, too, Rhett	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#459
Good. And for the record, Warren has my vote. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#464
Aw, shucks	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#465
...	Agony	Jun 2012	#463
kick	QC	Jun 2012	#469
holy crap this is a long thread	limpyhobbler	Jun 2012	#471
Epic thread, Manny.	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#475
This thread links to the Huffington Post (a site funded by Scott Walker).	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#477
Right you are, it links to another posters thread	Rex	Jun 2012	#478
Except the controversial bit is "Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises."	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#479
Ugh...the criminal Issa	Rex	Jun 2012	#482
But "Third Way" Manny SUPPORTS NAFTA??? Weird!	Romulox	Jun 2012	#483
Heh, this will be so controversial, I actually agree with half of that...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#484
So does CATO. nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#485
I doubt CATO would want it to be renegotiated.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#486
I don't think "Third Way" Manny wanted to touch this. Too confusing, I guess.	Romulox	Jun 2012	#491
Yeah, I failed hard there, I did NOT agree with their "modest" assessment, which is why I edited.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#492
Hero worship meets cognitive dissonance is the most charitable explanation I can give. nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#493
Actual Manny in no way, shape or form has ever supported NAFTA	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#495
He just disagrees with the consensus that it was a destroyer of millions of manufacturing jobs?	Romulox	Jun 2012	#496
Any jobs lost is tragic, awful	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#497
_^_	Zorra	Jun 2012	#490
So....I gather from this thread	unreadierLizard	Jun 2012	#494

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