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155. New Peer-reviewed Paper's Bold Statement
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 11:01 AM
Aug 2016
One of the benchmark moments in the movement for GMO transparency came in 2012 when professor Gilles-Eric Séralini of France and his team published a study showing the toxic, carcinogenic effects of Monsanto’s Roundup and Roundup-Ready corn on lab rats.

The study was retracted, however, amid a firestorm of controversy and questionable ethics surrounding the Biotech industry and its role in getting the paper taken out of the peer-reviewed journal Food and Chemical Toxicology.

Eventually, Séralini and his study were able to resurface as it was later published in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Sciences Europe, a development that was far less covered in the mainstream media than the retraction of the paper, and the controversy surrounding Monsanto’s role in that process as well.

Now, yet another peer-reviewed paper is once again backing the Séralini study and asking deeper questions about what has become of science in an era where commercial and corporate interests are taking an active role in deciding what results should be deemed acceptable.


http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/new-peer-reviewed-papers-bold-statement-seralini-study-on-gmos-tumors-was-right-after-all/

Science must be defended against commercial interests that attempt to get important papers on GMOs and pesticides retracted rather than encouraging further research to clarify any uncertainties, says an important new peer-reviewed paper published in Environmental Sciences Europe.

The paper, authored by Drs John Fagan, Terje Traavik and Thomas Bøhn, details the events that followed the publication of the research study led by Prof Gilles-Eric Séralini on GM maize NK603 and Roundup. The Séralini study found toxic effects in rats, notably liver and kidney damage, from NK603 maize and Roundup, both individually and in combination.

The paper was attacked by pro-GMO scientists, who argued that it should be retracted. Eventually the journal editor capitulated and retracted the paper, though it was subsequently republished in Environmental Sciences Europe.

The authors of the new paper comment on this row, lamenting the growth of “a trend in which disputes, between interest groups vying for retraction and republication of papers that report controversial results, overshadow the normal scientific process in which peer-reviewed publication stimulates new research, generating new empirical evidence that drives the evolution of scientific understanding”.


http://gmwatch.org/news/latest-news/16380-science-must-be-protected-from-commercial-interests


You might want to give this whole "peer-reviewed" meme a break.
"The highest level detected was 18.74 parts per billion (ppb)" MohRokTah Aug 2016 #1
I doubt a concern merely voiced is equivalent to the melodrama of a falling sky LanternWaste Aug 2016 #8
Some people PatSeg Aug 2016 #21
I really don't want to eat or drink anything carcinogenic womanofthehills Aug 2016 #13
Then you will starve and dehydrate. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #14
Actually the Cancer Research Division of the World Health Organization disagrees with you womanofthehills Aug 2016 #38
And low and behold, you made a claim and didn't back it up. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #39
Look it up - we have been discusssing this forever womanofthehills Aug 2016 #41
I'm not doing your work for you. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #42
what about the scientific american link downthread? did you read that? Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #44
Check the video below from ABC news - it backs up my claim womanofthehills Aug 2016 #55
What video below? Link to it. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #57
post 48 womanofthehills Aug 2016 #67
No video in post 48. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #71
The alleged logic in your statement is illogical. HERVEPA Aug 2016 #182
Flag on the play... MohRokTah Aug 2016 #193
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #45
You literally cannot avoid consuming or breathing carcinogens. trotsky Aug 2016 #235
Parts per trillion or billion... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #29
BEcaue there are carcinogens in larger quantities in everything you put in your mouth. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #46
But, I can control when I drink alcohol. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #59
Wrong. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #70
I shouldn't have to worry about that... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #77
But all of those have been well regulated... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #83
So put alcohol and glyphosate together womanofthehills Aug 2016 #58
Well. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #50
Then you cannot eat or drink ANYTHING. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #54
You are missing the point. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #60
Actually, you are missing the point MohRokTah Aug 2016 #62
No, I was saying I have no problem consuming known carcinogens. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #64
Actually, it had even more man made toxic chemicals. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #68
WARNING: Only eat organic when on antibiotics - glyphosate equals antiobiotic resistance womanofthehills Aug 2016 #66
That is a very disturbing article PatSeg Aug 2016 #100
is the organic food grown in a greenhouse? Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #102
Uh, no. Roundup does not directly negate antibiotics. kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #134
That is really disturbing PatSeg Aug 2016 #152
We would all benefit from a link to your source Orrex Aug 2016 #190
Try Google, over 400,000 results PatSeg Aug 2016 #195
I'm just making reference to an article cited and linked to upthread. kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #246
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #56
Wrong. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #72
Ok, ignoring wine... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #79
So, my kid drinking grape juice... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #84
That is a non answer. Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #91
So, I should just accept it? Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #94
Some of the chemicals found in grapes by USDA - they test for all these pesticides womanofthehills Aug 2016 #137
The EPA does not test grapes or any foods for glyphosate yet womanofthehills Aug 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #114
Scientists now saying no safe level of glyphosate in your body womanofthehills Aug 2016 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #61
All the tolerances for residues in foods are in parts per million on EPA table womanofthehills Aug 2016 #110
What is the safe level in your opinion? n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #226
Ever take care of a person dying from cancer in a home hospice program? Peregrine Took Aug 2016 #252
Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #253
And...the GMO-glyphosate tragedy-shitstorm is intensifying RapSoDee Aug 2016 #2
Nature has a way PatSeg Aug 2016 #5
You know PatSeg Aug 2016 #6
Because of the superweeds Monsanto's toxic herbicide - DICAMBA to the rescue womanofthehills Aug 2016 #25
I was just reading about "dicamba" PatSeg Aug 2016 #74
No crop is "fundamentally dependent" on glyphosate. Give me a break. jmowreader Aug 2016 #138
Non-GMO soybeans offer high yields at lower cost PatSeg Aug 2016 #154
A study by Mom's Across America? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #3
I have never followed Mercola PatSeg Aug 2016 #7
Don Huber is a quack who writes for quack site Mercola. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #9
Everyone has an opinion PatSeg Aug 2016 #10
I know. I don't understand why you keep doing that, though. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #16
Oh, I'm quite sure that you do understand PatSeg Aug 2016 #19
Yes, I believe it promoting science and fact. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #125
Projection again and again womanofthehills Aug 2016 #133
Have you seen your posts? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #146
They are 99% backed up by facts womanofthehills Aug 2016 #163
No, they are not. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #170
FACT - Roundup is a possible carcinogen womanofthehills Aug 2016 #172
See that word there? "Possible". Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #174
Fact PatSeg Aug 2016 #176
Science has come a LONG way since the 1950s, Scooter. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #183
And there is no END Spanky PatSeg Aug 2016 #186
Of course there's no end. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #189
I very clearly added to the op: PatSeg Aug 2016 #197
When the WHO says possible it's just like saying it is womanofthehills Aug 2016 #196
The WHO says it is likely not harmful. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #202
... NuclearDem Aug 2016 #18
Ha! nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #126
Actually, I just got this information about EPA meeting from the great site "Moms Across America" womanofthehills Aug 2016 #11
"Great site" Orrex Aug 2016 #12
Completely unashamed to promote debunked bullshit. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #17
So how is a chart sourced from the EPA debunked bullshit? womanofthehills Aug 2016 #135
Yes, activist moms fighting GMO's womanofthehills Aug 2016 #131
Yes yes, I know. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #15
Actually, I have rarely checked Mom's Across America but I think I now will womanofthehills Aug 2016 #43
You keep racing to the bottom! nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #124
Your posts never have any information womanofthehills Aug 2016 #165
Neither do yours. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #167
Give me a link saying Roundup is safe for our bodies, babies and the environment. womanofthehills Aug 2016 #173
There ya go. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #175
I don't think it was that black and white PatSeg Aug 2016 #177
Nothing is black and white. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #184
Above link NOT a study but a PANEL- Reuters misleadingly reported stroy womanofthehills Aug 2016 #199
ALCOA! Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #200
Actually, Dr. Hobbitsein - your link has been tainted by Monsanto insiders & money womanofthehills Aug 2016 #201
Yes, it's all a big conspiracy! Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #204
You're really on a roll today PatSeg Aug 2016 #254
Wow - here a GREAT VIDEO I found on Mom's Across America RELATING TO OP womanofthehills Aug 2016 #49
GREAT. You keep saying that word. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #123
Your posts are very familiar womanofthehills Aug 2016 #168
No, but I'm glad I'm not the only one on this site willing to call you out on the bullshit that you Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #169
Very interesting PatSeg Aug 2016 #20
That's a childish objection Orrex Aug 2016 #23
Well PatSeg Aug 2016 #27
Forgive me, but that has nothing to do with the organization's name Orrex Aug 2016 #65
Those poor "unscientific" activist moms are now reporting glyphosate in their breast milk - womanofthehills Aug 2016 #171
Warning: These "Moms" might not be scientists!!! PatSeg Aug 2016 #179
Who called anyone "ignorant unscientific moms?" Certainly not me. Orrex Aug 2016 #180
Who buys most of the groceries? womanofthehills Aug 2016 #26
Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #34
Oh good lord, that's just dumb. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #47
Moms Across America is not a shit site - it's a site of WOMEN ACTIVISTS womanofthehills Aug 2016 #51
No, it's a site of idiots who claim to have "concerns" about non existant things. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #127
So according to you GLYPHOSATE IN BREAST MILK is a concern about something non existant. womanofthehills Aug 2016 #178
Yes, it's a non existant concern. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #181
That is really good news PatSeg Aug 2016 #192
Actually, Monsanto did the tests saying no glyphosate in breast milk womanofthehills Aug 2016 #220
Now that is really intersting PatSeg Aug 2016 #222
Slack Science Destroys Monsanto Breast Milk Study womanofthehills Aug 2016 #239
ALSO, Monsanto won't say when or where they got the breast milk womanofthehills Aug 2016 #240
It is so exhausting PatSeg Aug 2016 #241
No shit. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #231
But you seem to think profanity marks you as smart. closeupready Aug 2016 #247
. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #249
Thanks PatSeg Aug 2016 #255
Actually German studies find glyphosate in breast milk - unlike the Monsanto lab tests womanofthehills Aug 2016 #215
+1 PatSeg Aug 2016 #223
Yes, I know. You hate science. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #229
Actually, it's beautiful up here - it's our monsoon season womanofthehills Aug 2016 #244
Well, at least you admit you live up there on Bullshit Mountain. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #251
Sigh PatSeg Aug 2016 #256
Women activists who don't fucking understand basic science, maybe. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #140
More hyperbole PatSeg Aug 2016 #86
Oh, beg your pardon, you're right. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #95
Still putting words in my mouth PatSeg Aug 2016 #101
Oh good lord, just own it already. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #104
I see a lot of "hilariously transparent" PatSeg Aug 2016 #106
It's not a fringe anti-science group - it's a mom's activist group fighting GMO's womanofthehills Aug 2016 #132
Mercola shill site says what?...nt SidDithers Aug 2016 #4
well we wouldn't want broad leaf weeds growing in our wine GreatGazoo Aug 2016 #22
what about scientific american? are they quacks? or rubes? Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #24
What is disturbing PatSeg Aug 2016 #31
am waiting for the ones here who claim to know what they're talking about deal with it. Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #35
There is so much corporate money PatSeg Aug 2016 #85
It is disturbing - hopefully the EPA will do better in their Oct Roundup evaluation womanofthehills Aug 2016 #75
Many herbicides and pesticides won't work without the toxic "inerts" womanofthehills Aug 2016 #36
thank you. what about the statement that says the inerts are NOT inert? Gabi Hayes Aug 2016 #40
Agreed - I would say "inert" is pharma talk womanofthehills Aug 2016 #78
Which scientists? stevil Aug 2016 #103
Scientific American is a pop-sci magazine. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #128
Yeah PatSeg Aug 2016 #136
Yes, and my grandmother submitted an article in a medical magazine about my grandfather's... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #144
And I know a lot of people who submit PatSeg Aug 2016 #147
Have any of them claimed to be scientists doing independent research? No, so your point is... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #216
It's not peer-reviewed science, however. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #145
"Peer-reviewed" PatSeg Aug 2016 #148
Oh, I know damn well what it means. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #149
Nothing is infallible PatSeg Aug 2016 #151
That's what the peer review process is for. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #153
New Peer-reviewed Paper's Bold Statement PatSeg Aug 2016 #155
March Against Monsanto and GMWatch. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #156
I knew you were going to do that PatSeg Aug 2016 #157
You keep posting bullshit from psuedo-science sites. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #159
You still have not PatSeg Aug 2016 #162
He was NOT vindicated. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #166
We can't have a meaningful discussion PatSeg Aug 2016 #185
We can't have a meaninful discussion about science because you REFUSE to post links Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #187
That would be true PatSeg Aug 2016 #191
Cocaine was found on 100% of US paper money Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #28
Who eats money? PatSeg Aug 2016 #32
You don't get it. It's not about destinations, it's about sources. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #33
Hey, wait! The Gish-galloping "I drink a glass of glyphosphate every day" guys haven't gotten Squinch Aug 2016 #30
"Gish-galloping" PatSeg Aug 2016 #90
Oh, you mean the people that understand science. Bonx Aug 2016 #96
Oh, I think he means PatSeg Aug 2016 #105
Are you sure? His post is cryptic. I'll stay with my position. Bonx Aug 2016 #113
As you wish PatSeg Aug 2016 #116
I've essentially stopped buying California wines. closeupready Aug 2016 #48
Uranium??? Damn, I should either be 40 feet tall, or have super powers by now!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2016 #80
What about all the cesium from Fukashimi womanofthehills Aug 2016 #92
Shrink, Grow, Invisibility ... give me SOMETHING!!! JoePhilly Aug 2016 #97
I'm levitating right now! ;) Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #111
The risk is chemical, not nuclear. Igel Aug 2016 #130
Sadly, even organic wines are testing for glyphosate but at lower levels womanofthehills Aug 2016 #88
Darn Moms! PatSeg Aug 2016 #89
Yes, very scientific (sarcasm, if needed). BeeBee Aug 2016 #98
Could you please cite some sources. n/t BeeBee Aug 2016 #99
WHO Publishes Full Probable Human Carcinogen Report on Glyphosate womanofthehills Aug 2016 #112
My question was to closeupready... BeeBee Aug 2016 #115
Odd concerns in a hepatoxic carcinogen you ingest daily. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #141
k&r nationalize the fed Aug 2016 #108
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #109
And when no one will take their bait PatSeg Aug 2016 #117
Congratulations! NuclearDem Aug 2016 #118
I rest my case. Prisoner_Number_Six Aug 2016 #120
Okay, whatever you say. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #121
A man of few words PatSeg Aug 2016 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #129
Tips to distinguish turf from truth PatSeg Aug 2016 #119
Honestly, how are we supposed to take such websites as that seriously when they... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #142
Nice diversion there PatSeg Aug 2016 #158
Oh, you mean the page that basically says, "if we are called out its SHILLS!" I thought that... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #206
Wait, I'm curious PatSeg Aug 2016 #209
9 times out of 10 its crazy assed conspiracies, the fact is that... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #211
You know PatSeg Aug 2016 #217
Really? Then why do you deny basic scientific facts? Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #218
I think you must be confusing me PatSeg Aug 2016 #221
Sorry, I have a tendancy to lump all science deniers together, their positions seem to... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #225
Sorry PatSeg Aug 2016 #227
Its difficult to not condescend considering the quality of the sources you use. Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #232
If you absolutely must have the last word PatSeg Aug 2016 #238
Okay Pat, riddle me this... jmowreader Aug 2016 #139
What would organic farmers PatSeg Aug 2016 #150
Have you ever BEEN to a vineyard? sendero Aug 2016 #161
If they'd actually read PatSeg Aug 2016 #164
Do you know what parts per billion are? jmowreader Aug 2016 #188
Like lead in drinking water? PatSeg Aug 2016 #210
First things first, the effects of lead poisoning are well known, along with what are... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #214
The problem with using words like "known" PatSeg Aug 2016 #219
Glyphosate has been widely used for about 2 generations now, if there were adverse effects... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #224
FALSE - CDC says cancer on rise 24% in MEN, 21% in woman womanofthehills Aug 2016 #230
It certainly feels like PatSeg Aug 2016 #234
Cancer is inevitable Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #242
Did you even read the link? It says incidences will stay the same... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #250
Don't lower yourself to their level, while people like Vani Hari are unethical people... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #212
We get it - woman activists are not your thing womanofthehills Aug 2016 #233
Scientifically-illiterate morons are not limited to one gender. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #236
So lets see, Food Babe is a "scientifically-illiterate moron" because she is getting GMO's, womanofthehills Aug 2016 #243
No, she's a scientifically-illiterate moron NuclearDem Aug 2016 #248
Propogating ignorance isn't my thing, the gender of the person... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #245
Riddle me this - answers womanofthehills Aug 2016 #228
Revolving doors PatSeg Aug 2016 #237
Oh look, an anti-vaxxer site... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #143
You must be thinking someone else PatSeg Aug 2016 #160
Uhm, its literally an anti-vaxxer site that claims that there is a link between Baby Tylenol... Humanist_Activist Aug 2016 #205
Beyond Stupid. Article just throws numbers around. Measures beer in μg/L and wine in ppb. WTF? RAFisher Aug 2016 #194
The beer tests were from Germany PatSeg Aug 2016 #198
Nothing like a big glass of Roundup to end the day! workinclasszero Aug 2016 #203
And you could always follow it PatSeg Aug 2016 #207
Yeah, how about that? workinclasszero Aug 2016 #208
Now and then PatSeg Aug 2016 #213
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