Nah, just lower your expectations. Then you get surprised once in awhile. (Reply #76)

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76. Nah, just lower your expectations. Then you get surprised once in awhile.

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I am so utterly sick of this Third Way shit. [View all]	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	OP
Congratulations, you found the loophole.	tridim	Jun 2012	#1
Poverty, homelessness and hunger are growing daily	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#2
Ever heard of Congress??	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#6
The Congress that rejected the three Bush "free" trade agreements	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#8
Maybe	ProSense	Jun 2012	#10
I totally	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#13
Suggestion:	ProSense	Jun 2012	#18
Now THAT was funny!	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#19
He found plenty of them when he introduced his bill to defend ACORN	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#346
It's: "I accept the 20 lashes because it is sooo much better than 40. Thank you master." nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#42
No, it's: I'm not gullible to RW bullshit tactics. n/t	ProSense	Jun 2012	#102
When I say I dont like our government's free-trade agreements,	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#188
Now rick.	Jakes Progress	Jun 2012	#327
Then there are a couple of DUers who appear to be Obama-shills.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#222
And what about dipshits who will fall over themselves to launch hate at Obama?	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#230
Your post is way off and	They_Live	Jun 2012	#234
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#236
Sid you shill...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#261
bout the same	They_Live	Jun 2012	#263
I'm happy for you	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#245
Absolutley GODDAMN DIPSHIT	They_Live	Jun 2012	#262
And here comes the hyperbolic pants-wetting	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#266
I really have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here.	They_Live	Jun 2012	#281
Excellent!	kurtzapril4	Jun 2012	#285
I'm sure we have little in common	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#294
I'm not sure I understand where you draw the line	They_Live	Jun 2012	#300
Huffpo is kind of the online lefty version of the National Enquirer	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#321
...and another thing	They_Live	Jun 2012	#302
oK.... as far as those points you made,	They_Live	Jun 2012	#291
Now we can attempt a conversation	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#305
Oh..	They_Live	Jun 2012	#322
Or you'll what?	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#330
So the president has no power is what you're saying?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#320
You can see what I'm saying, in my post	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#325
Thank you, I've never seen an uglier post.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#375
Somewhat proving JD's point, I would say. n/t	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#274
And who does the USTR report to?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#297
+1000	Bobbie Jo	Jun 2012	#368
Thank You.	They_Live	Jun 2012	#233
...typed a Smoove Johnny-shill, with a straight face...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#260
JDP, I truly wish I could recommend this reply	tpsbmam	Jun 2012	#264
+1000!	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2012	#267
Yep. Yet we're not supposed to mention the obvious...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#307
yep, bullseye. What I do is usually ignore them	quinnox	Jun 2012	#318
It isn't so much that I disagree with them but that, as you explain, their posts	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#435
+1	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#329
Looks like you incurred the longest swarm yet. But tread lightly. The Neighborhood Watch	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#360
+1	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#412
OH COME ON, MANNY!!!	Skittles	Jun 2012	#80
Not entirely true.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#93
You're just mad cause you didn't get your pony.	progressoid	Jun 2012	#104
LOL	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#110
HEHE	Skittles	Jun 2012	#450
Actually	ProSense	Jun 2012	#100
Really? All sense of honest discussion out the window	Jakes Progress	Jun 2012	#356
False choice	kenfrequed	Jun 2012	#254
No not that one, the Tea Party one that is obstructing everything and took America hostage.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#12
So you don't want to talk about the one	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#15
Why, it only advances RW causes and fuels the fire for discouraging voter turnout for Obama.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#23
What if... Obama just stopped doing this awful shit	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#24
I'm not the one in fear, I'm the one voting for him.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#25
Seems like I misread your post then.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#26
Now...	MrMickeysMom	Jun 2012	#28
Absolutely nailed it, Manny!	bvar22	Jun 2012	#304
"WHAT IF...OBAMA JUST STOPPED DOING THIS AWFUL SHIT	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#416
I, for one, would be quite happy to be all "forward"	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#441
The RW causes being advanced were/are the Free Trade Agreements.	NCTraveler	Jun 2012	#200
Isn't it Hillary's State Department that does the nitty-gritty negotiations	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#228
I don't think Obama is left of the Clinton's. I also don't view the Clinton's themselves as being left	NCTraveler	Jun 2012	#243
why trouble your beautiful mind?	frylock	Jun 2012	#204
As soon as I see Democrats actually fighting ..	sendero	Jun 2012	#140
Thank you. I agree with your logical statements. n/t	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#442
Again, if Congress is the problem,	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#227
crickets	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#244
I remember the Truman and Johnson administrations.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#277
Well...to be charitable...Obama had just never seen things the way many of us see them......	KoKo	Jun 2012	#292
Those numbers speak volumes, JD	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#295
What a great post.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#314
Wow, those are some sobering numbers.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#323
Seeds of its own destruction..	Why Syzygy	Jun 2012	#60
heh.	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2012	#269
I don't wonder anymore.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#312
The only time the whitehouse changes hands	nineteen50	Jun 2012	#239
Tough to hide behind the Congress skirt when they are cut out of the loop	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#103
Obama has only used his veto twice.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#219
The Congress that keeps Obama from going to Wisconsin?	Creideiki	Jun 2012	#268
No no no no no!	kurtzapril4	Jun 2012	#289
Also, 2 possible Supreme Court nominees.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#14
Actually, that's about all I have left to be hopeful about nt	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#17
Even THAT Silver Cloud comes with a dark lining.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#272
Yep, and considering his administration	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#340
More hostages.	hay rick	Jun 2012	#31
yes, very cheneyesque	frylock	Jun 2012	#207
Supreme court and abortion. That's all we've got left from "The Great Society".	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#39
Since Obama deadenders here claim he has no power	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#152
And a damn good reason as any.	FarLeftFist	Jun 2012	#202
I agree.	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#215
"Obama deadenders"?...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#213
Exactly.nt	Bobbie Jo	Jun 2012	#369
What do you mean "also?" That's more than enough reason in and of itself.	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#348
Yeah, yeah, we know. Every criticism is perceived as an attack on Obama,	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#16
Thanks for the sanity, woo.	russspeakeasy	Jun 2012	#30
This is run away from like Godzilla, Woo.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#38
Don't bother playing the cult of personality card on me.	tridim	Jun 2012	#50
I do not monitor the thoughts of individual voters at the polls and hadn't seen you post so I wasn't	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#225
It's idiotic to assume that adult Democrats vote on personality alone.	tridim	Jun 2012	#271
My claim is that the dialog is fixed on personality. Internal thought may vary, observable reaction	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#449
You are spot on. There is always a diversion from the policy.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#174
+1!	rudycantfail	Jun 2012	#270
There are no more pawns left on our side, they were taken out of the game early.	bahrbearian	Jun 2012	#216
The silence is deafening.	raouldukelives	Jun 2012	#43
No more true words have ever been spoken, woo. Thanks. nt	riderinthestorm	Jun 2012	#49
great post. You nailed it.	bbgrunt	Jun 2012	#54
Can't let this post go	laundry_queen	Jun 2012	#55
+ a million	Quantess	Jun 2012	#58
This is nothing new. Anyone who thought Obama would be immune from it is kidding themselves.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#62
You are right. We should just accept it. Because voting is the only viable	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#74
Nah, just lower your expectations. Then you get surprised once in awhile.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#76
Ever heard of 'aim for the sky and you might hit a tree'?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#113
Hit me up when we have politicians who are worthy of high expectations.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#115
We will get closer to what we want when we aim for what we want. Low expectation voters	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#128
I know of no single politician who is worthy of my expectations.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#130
Yes, let's just wait for them...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#175
"just lower your expectations"	bvar22	Jun 2012	#328
Does it help	chervilant	Jun 2012	#75
Not makig fun. I come here for political discussion.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#79
hmm...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#432
No, the outrage is not "amusing."	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#85
It's inconsequential.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#88
You need to study history. nt	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#90
So today, criticism of Obama does not mean risking a Romney presidency.	Marr	Jun 2012	#95
No, forum posts have little effect on certain policies.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#109
...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#176
So you've changed your mind then?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#315
Nope.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#317
Obama said he WASN'T going to do it	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#365
Most likely not.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#414
Oh so he said he ain't going to do it.	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#467
Because there isn't enough outrage, yet. But it's building.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#410
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	Jun 2012	#71
Corporation's	Phlem	Jun 2012	#89
Thank you for this post. And it is happening because, up to now, we too have gone along with the	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#99
+ a gazillion.	chervilant	Jun 2012	#106
Those are just talking points, intended to distract. You notice those who disseminate	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#131
You only get either no response or emails with no follow-up? How do the fund raisers overlook you?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#169
Lol, no, we are not overlooked by the fundraisers!	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#460
Amen.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#177
it's the system, the game, theater.	tomp	Jun 2012	#142
Well said.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#161
precisely; there's really only One Way- the Money Way. nt	StarryNight	Jun 2012	#173
Thank you, woo. Very well said. eom	truth2power	Jun 2012	#183
its Facism	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#193
"This agreement would reinstate important reforms like expansion of the program to cover	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#223
You are so right. Making every issue "about" Obama personally,	Raksha	Jun 2012	#251
Brilliant post, woo. Thanks! nt	tpsbmam	Jun 2012	#265
Yeah,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#70
do you want Raw Money in there	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#185
You voted for McCain in 2008? Because Obama wasn't ready?	Autumn	Jun 2012	#257
Lol!	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#308
A McCain voter coming to lecture us to vote for Liberals.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#337
I know, but at least s/he was open about it!	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#339
...and showing more honesty and willingness to Face the Truth...	bvar22	Jun 2012	#458
Whatever he is, I have just five words: three more Supreme Court Justices.	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#342
'Loophole'? Take off the blinders.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#431
Land mines, Manny, land mines.	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#3
So who's in charge of that agency now?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#11
Manny, the laws and resultant policies and directives	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#20
Senators are yelling about this, and	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#21
"Less time than it takes to have dinner with bankers, I'd think."	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#22
I've worked in the federal bureaucracy. We knew where the rules came from.	freedom fighter jh	Jun 2012	#147
Information memos, instructional bulletins, Solicitor's Opinions,	Cerridwen	Jun 2012	#170
Yes, you're right, I forgot about court orders.	freedom fighter jh	Jun 2012	#275
Sucks, yes it does.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#4
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#35
The nerve to support a Democrat? Horrors.	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#40
The post you were responding to got hidden yesterday, yet the poster continued to post in this	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#384
Whats up with THAT?	bvar22	Jun 2012	#425
Not sure. I also noted in another OP that the OP author rec'd his own OP.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#430
Some "more equal" than others?	bvar22	Jun 2012	#447
If you click on the hidden post it wasn't hidden until the day after it was posted.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#445
I was wrong. you are absolutely correct.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#455
oh shit.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#179
Help me dion. They're starting to become a blur. They've converted from "Third Way" to uber-libera	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#203
yes, watching stone DLCers "morph" into Kucinizens to cover for the poutrage is priceless...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#237
I think it's even worse than that. I think they're, somewhere, magically to the left of Chavez now.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#241
do note however... some people really are just Naderites. the only reason you	dionysus	Jun 2012	#242
It really is that simple, isn't it? Mutual hatred for Bush united us, which is another reason I'll	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#249
I have plenty of nerve. And a lot more than just nasty snark which is all you post.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#206
"I have plenty of nerve". I knew we could find a point of agreement.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#211
MPAA?! Wtf?	abelenkpe	Jun 2012	#5
Oh my!	ProSense	Jun 2012	#7
Seems apropos:	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#9
Well... The Wood Chipper WOULD Be Faster...	WillyT	Jun 2012	#27
Says the guy who supported Hillary, Queen of the DLC. Just too funny. Third Way?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#29
$50 if you find evidence of that.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#33
Not looking for it, but I have a long memory. How's that "cleansing" coming?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#34
Long and really shitty.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#36
You have an agenda Manny. Why don't you fess up, and let us all in on it. Frankly, I don't....	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#44
Find a post where I support Hillary for Prez, I'll confess all	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#47
Not looking in the archives, but if you say so. Then it's so.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#57
Well the works been done for you, down thread	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#61
Don't know what's going on "downthread", but I think my questions were pretty clear?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#65
You can't even take the time to read the clear refutation of your awful charge.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#78
New Rules for DU3:	bvar22	Jun 2012	#335
Dear Lord that's awesome!	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#341
Day-Yum!	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#466
LMAO	iamthebandfanman	Jun 2012	#84
I may have been wrong about Manny's primary support, but you're still in fuckin' Kentucky!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#87
"Massive ego"	chervilant	Jun 2012	#105
That type of posting behavior in NOT spawned by a massive ego.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#428
and you were an avid bush supporter..	frylock	Jun 2012	#209
Touche!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#212
Wow...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#86
In case you didn't notice, we didn't have a primary. The incumbent is our candidate.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#96
OMG!	chervilant	Jun 2012	#98
A lot of things are a "pale semblance" of my youth. Rotary phones, B&W teevee, whooping cough....	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#114
Yeah,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#149
!!!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2012	#201
Not sure what Party you are in, the Democratic Party held primaries this year, I voted Obama.	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#184
Brilliantly stated. n/t	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#443
Thank you.	chervilant	Jun 2012	#462
boom goes the dynamite...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#238
Do you think I'm a Republican shill? nt	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#299
Where the hell did you come up with THAT?	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#45
Nope.	Starry Messenger	Jun 2012	#51
I am blown away that someone would actually check that out and come to my defense	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#59
Ahaha, I did some digging, too. It's all so clear.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#64
No, that makes no sense. No more than the other false claim made.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#116
All in my experience.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#120
Certainly not your experience on DU. I think DUers have been very clear about what exactly	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#124
You can't pretend to know my experience of DU.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#125
You can think whatever you want, the only people with rose colored glasses on are still wearing them	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#248
Good Points Sabrina 1.......	KoKo	Jun 2012	#282
Those are all valid reasons people push back against Obama for keeping campaign promises.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#316
You mean like Offshore Drilling? And Mandated Insurance?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#334
I'm sorry you don't remember, but Obama was for offshore drilling.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#345
"Obama Slammed Opponent McCain’s Offshore Drilling Plan as ‘Political Posturing'"	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#367
Obama flipped after he was nominated but before we voted for him.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#370
He evolved about a lot of things once he got the nomination. So what is your point?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#374
My point is that he's been consistent and done everything he said he do within his power.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#377
"Any bill I sign must include... a public option..."	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#379
Krugman pointed out that naivety.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#381
Can you provide a link?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#382
Sure.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#383
I get the mandate - but what does that have to do with a public option?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#385
It was a political miscalculation.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#387
So Scott Brown was elected before Obama deep-sized the public option	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#391
Yep, and they said "we'll try again next year." Of course, then we let the teabaggers win.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#393
Scott Brown was elected many months AFTER Obama agreed to drop the public option	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#395
The Public Option was still alive Nov. 8th. 2009. Scott Brown got elected on Jan. 28, 2010.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#396
NY Times	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#397
Ted Kennedy was on his death bed when that article was written. What are you saying?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#400
So? In June of 2009, when Obama ceded a meaningful public option to Pharma and Hospitals in	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#406
He didn't do that. He merely opened up the door for the possiblity of wrangling.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#408
So you're claiming that the NY Times is wrong?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#434
Sen. Barack Obama explains his opposition to lifting the ban on off-shore drilling.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#392
I think you linked the wrong thing.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#394
Go to the first video on the left under the one you posted.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#404
Yep, it is too bad, glad he did it before the elections.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#405
All I want of Obama/Biden is the same level of government	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#446
agreed..its because he had such an opportunity to be a hero when we needed one..and he chose	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#247
I remembered, but felt some links for back up would be effective. :)	Starry Messenger	Jun 2012	#68
We need to apologize for everything these days.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#112
You're a liar. Manny NEVER supported Clinton in the primaries. nt	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#66
Not necessarily a liar, but it would've been easy to check before alleging it.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#72
Don't you think that attempting character assassination without checking the facts is pretty awful?	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#77
Yes, it was horrible, no doubt.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#83
And the lack of an apology?	Marr	Jun 2012	#101
Eh, most of that exchange happened before the post was made.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#107
Most people wouldn't make such a misinformed statement about another DUer, would they?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#118
I don't know, I've been called quite a few things by people I felt were misinformed.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#121
No it's not a valid insult, it's just a plain old personal attack trying to distract from the real	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#126
It would be if it were true, you even admit that they were nasty.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#127
The lie was not in the error re the candidate he supported.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#226
It is political.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#309
No, never call people names, not even Bush, as I rely on facts more than stupid name-calling	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#336
Sure, here's one.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#351
So no name-calling, thank you. What you call 'boxing people in' is generally called stating	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#355
I'm not convinced you've ever convinced me I've been wrong about anything ever.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#357
Well, I don't really care whether you admitted to being wrong or not.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#361
Fair enough.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#366
I disagree, people learn when those who bring non-facts to the table are corrected.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#373
Same here!	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#376
Hello??? Your link proves the exact opposite of what you claim.	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#474
More hateful insults.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#476
Yes, more hateful insults to people's intelligence and reading comprehension coming from you.	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#480
I can't imagine anyone clicking that link and considering it "concealing one's true motives."	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#481
You've been trying to discredit Sabrina and others here	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#487
OK, whatever you say. Make it personal.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#488
Perfect case in point: who are you accusing of making bigoted statements -	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#489
+100000	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#187
The poster got a post hidden yesterday, so theoretically he cant post here.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#386
Yep, looks like they got booted from the thread.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#388
Wrong placement.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#389
Oh gosh, and I must be his enabler.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#399
Very sorry. I didnt intend that post for you. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#421
They get booted from the thread?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#409
Hillary is Democrat. What is wrong with democrats supporting a democrat?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#407
Given that the truth was given to the person	iamthebandfanman	Jun 2012	#82
Wait up, if that poster is on ignore, there's nothing to "look at."	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#108
My, my. Just look at the contortions you're going through to cover for them, though. nt	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#117
Oh gosh, I am just putting a sense of perspective.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#119
He kinda looks like	Caretha	Jun 2012	#160
when first said it was a mistake	SwampG8r	Jun 2012	#143
As of this post the posts still have their times shown on the right there.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#144
Your lack of an apology here makes you seem unprincipled and unworthy of regard.	Marr	Jun 2012	#97
Ad hominem to avoid actual discussion. Weak sauce.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#162
I, too, long for the good old days.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#32
China and Germany practice protectionism now. Yet they're being hailed for their success.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#37
Well of course they are. Both those governments have to care for their people as both are prone to	Egalitarian Thug	Jun 2012	#46
We have so few advocates for protectionism now.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#129
Fortunately the public is STRONGLY in favor of protectionism now.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#132
Google the Trans Pacific Trade agreement, now in the works	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#444
I know, my friend.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#454
I completely understand and sympathize. It's the classic Hobson's choice.	Egalitarian Thug	Jun 2012	#41
Our government is supposed to work with checks and balances. Except for Sen Wyden (D-Ore.),	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#48
The extreme right-wing looniness allows Obama to	bbgrunt	Jun 2012	#52
The debt ceiling debate, the health insurance negotiations....	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#180
So am I and here is a perfect example of the dynamic at work.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#53
It is truly the craziest thing I've ever seen	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#56
I vote for new OP, but I have an even worse ice cream headache for you, which is related:	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#69
That is indeed a puke-worthy thought.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#122
Go for it. Don't expect a civics lesson.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#73
Then,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#91
Huh? I can't express my bemusement from the thousandth thread on these subjects?	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#111
I haven't seen any comment from you on the actual issue.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#135
I must remember that entertainment and amusement is the primary issue for some.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#137
I'm familiar. It applies to states like the US as well as totalitarian states.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#145
I really don't know why you think the process of rightward drift is inevitable.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#146
Until the democratic party is united, as opposed to effectively 3 parties in one...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#148
I don't feel like we are talking to each other, but AROUND each other.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#150
Fair enough, you inaccurately blame the middle grounders, I blame the demographics.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#151
That is more clear.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#153
I'm saying Obama's right in the middle, straddling both sides.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#155
Americans Will Say They're Conservatives Untill You Ask Them About The Issues	raindaddy	Jun 2012	#189
I'm talking about issues here.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#313
Instead of looking at what you like to "think",	bvar22	Jun 2012	#437
We don't have to guess at where the American stand regarding issues. All polls taken without	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#290
Yeah, OK, marriage equality only just in 2011 made it past 50% support.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#311
And why did marriage equality finally get support from the American people?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#338
That's right. We fought in courts, we fought on the ground, because the President wasn't...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#354
Well now you are finally making MY point. The people must lead the way. You've been arguing	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#358
Excellent debate rebuttal. nt	ZombieHorde	Jun 2012	#253
He didn't address your post. But I read it and couldn't agree more, you are absolutely correct	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#413
Great posts, as usual	chervilant	Jun 2012	#417
Like this post:	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#156
Let's hope they care.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#138
Let's hope they care enough not to remain silent and to push their elected officials	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#258
I'm pretty sure people stayed home because they were disillusioned by people...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#310
What issue? The only people that see it as an issue are those who can afford iPads.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#420
Wyden certainly does	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#436
hmph...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#415
josh only cares about outrage if it's happening in the middle east	frylock	Jun 2012	#214
I'm a sucker for underdogs.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#401
Which is what this OP is about, underdogs. Don't see much comment on	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#451
I LOVE it.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#429
I wish I could believe the Democrats have been "deftly maneuvered...	ljm2002	Jun 2012	#92
It's the same script over and over again...	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#246
This must be a strategy because Laurence O'Donnell did the exact same thing the other night	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#134
Is this intentional or just dumb?	Caretha	Jun 2012	#163
Manny, it's like this.	jtuck004	Jun 2012	#63
I'm only posting	flvegan	Jun 2012	#67
Yup.	Puglover	Jun 2012	#166
The Third Way is the slightly slower lane to the same destination the Repbublicans are headed for.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2012	#81
Well, I say,	chervilant	Jun 2012	#94
Not exactly the same ... We have our differences.	LiberalAndProud	Jun 2012	#123
i know it ,that guy	roman7	Jun 2012	#133
He doesn't need to send you a memo unless you are a member of Congress. He does need	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#136
Thanks for this post	cbrer	Jun 2012	#139
I know Manny and	rrHeretic	Jun 2012	#141
Actually, I recommend that you vote, and vote for Democrats	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#158
We have an obligation to	chervilant	Jun 2012	#418
evil in any form needs to be fought and resisted	datasuspect	Jun 2012	#172
Which reminds me...	chervilant	Jun 2012	#419
And another outrage widget hits the shop floor...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#154
Another thoughtless dismissal of a serious issue.	morningfog	Jun 2012	#164
No thread on corrupted US policy/elections is complete till the Canadian clown car shows up.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#194
...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#195
hey Sid, need some extra clown white? you can write "Greewald/Manning 12" on your car windows	dionysus	Jun 2012	#240
He would probably want to spell it correctly. Spelling it "Greewald"would make him look idiotic.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#256
Greewald.. Greenwald.. Douchewald.. doesn't matter much each way...	dionysus	Jun 2012	#259
It's just Dis Mithers being Dis Mithers...nt	morningfog	Jun 2012	#205
...	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#210
...	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#279
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#298
Well...maybe I shouldn't have asked "Sid" on this post. I do hope he will get back to me...	KoKo	Jun 2012	#333
He's been locked out of this thread.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#363
oopsie. I didn't know a poster could be locked out of thread they didn't start....oh well.	KoKo	Jun 2012	#364
Yep and his transparency page is now up.	Puglover	Jun 2012	#371
Wow! That's, um, very revealing.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#372
Even Loco Bozo only got up to 54. n/t	QC	Jun 2012	#424
x2	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#461
"Obama's been a tragic disappointment"	trumad	Jun 2012	#157
It's just Manny being Manny...nt	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#168
someone's gotta carry the torch... "...and he was a giant among men..."	dionysus	Jun 2012	#181
And you defending everything he does. No different!	Logical	Jun 2012	#217
Saving this subthread for later. Want to REALLY digest the richness of the dialogue.	Romulox	Jun 2012	#190
I owe you an apology!	NYC_SKP	Jun 2012	#196
The greatest orator of our time is handed a depression	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#303
I'd almost be happy to get third way now.	JoeyT	Jun 2012	#159
+ 100.	HughBeaumont	Jun 2012	#171
Very true, especially compared to Clinton. nt	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#199
Get used to it	Freddie Stubbs	Jun 2012	#165
I worry that people get used to it and feel helpless,	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#178
Yeah. I've noticed that pattern.	bvar22	Jun 2012	#273
Absolutely 100% correct, Bvar22	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#287
Excellent post, it should be an OP.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#301
Agree that this should be an OP.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#319
Exactly. Well put.	Marr	Jun 2012	#378
Very salient observations and	truedelphi	Jun 2012	#468
I've always looked forward to reading your posts	rudycantfail	Jun 2012	#470
+++ and thank you	inna	Jun 2012	#473
These so called "grown-ups" of yours have fracked up the entire world.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#349
k&r for the thread title alone.	Laelth	Jun 2012	#167
Hammers and wood chippers.	Javaman	Jun 2012	#182
To hell with Turd Way. Kicked and rec'd.	Erose999	Jun 2012	#186
Have you noticed? This is a "Third Way" website... nearly all vocal Lefties have been PPRed...	Romulox	Jun 2012	#191
true..there are still some of us who remain but its less interesting and less informative without	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#250
What does Third Way mean?	Jamaal510	Jun 2012	#192
Wiki page is a good start:	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#197
Join the growing crowd	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#198
Heads-up: SPEECH in Ohio @ 1:45 today. Watch live!	proverbialwisdom	Jun 2012	#208
Thank you. Is Halliburton even a U.S. company?	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#218
yup--I've learned to love it	librechik	Jun 2012	#220
What is the legal argument regarding viewing these documents?	treestar	Jun 2012	#221
a new enforceable corporate global governance -- not a big deal, really.	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#326
That is an opinion	treestar	Jun 2012	#362
i love that you're "of the opinion" that the secret trade deal is "too boring" to pay attention to,	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#426
No, but why should Lori Wallach's opinion be one I should	treestar	Jun 2012	#453
The Third Way is a prime example of "The ends (getting elected) justifies the means".	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jun 2012	#224
Third way is the GOP way	porcinaalbastrucaine	Jun 2012	#229
The lesser of two evils has become	bupkus	Jun 2012	#231
I hear what you're saying, Manny. Here's something that's been bothering me for a long time...	truth2power	Jun 2012	#232
In my state primary	porcinaalbastrucaine	Jun 2012	#235
That document doesn't exist, it's a figment of your hate filled imagination.	whatchamacallit	Jun 2012	#252
Read this as an answer on another Liberal website. It might help understand this news a little.	Theross	Jun 2012	#255
Top of the Greatest Threads, with 140 recs.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#276
Kick...Like with Bush II ...I wake up every morning and say "What's Next!" ...	KoKo	Jun 2012	#278
Exactly. I knew he wasn't a raging librul, but I did "hope" (barf)...	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#283
It is nice to see all the recs, and that the liberal and progressives	quinnox	Jun 2012	#280
Still strong? As strong as before?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#286
No, we have lost some, but its good to see	quinnox	Jun 2012	#288
I may be forced to vote republican this year - his name is Obama	on point	Jun 2012	#284
ouch!	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#324
this is EXACTLY how i feel too, Manny. this trade action is classic Clintonian fuckery	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#293
after reading this thread i decided to put 2 members on ignore and guess what	xiamiam	Jun 2012	#296
I just had to clean hamburger bits off of my iPad	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#306
Let me guess, you put the top dog and his # 1 buddy. But the enablers are still running	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#390
I can confirm that my "number of star members ignoring" just jumped by one.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#398
If I were to understand this ...	Bryn	Jun 2012	#331
Good to know that	ProSense	Jun 2012	#332
The three free trade deals estimated to move > 100,000 jobs offshore	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#344
So you're trying to tell us that Ron Wyden is trying to aid Mitt Romney?	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#352
+1	nashville_brook	Jun 2012	#427
That's	ProSense	Jun 2012	#440
Actually,	ProSense	Jun 2012	#438
Yes -- why does Obama keep acting like a Republican instead of a Democrat?	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#472
The choir salutes you.	Jakes Progress	Jun 2012	#359
Fuck the choir (whatever that means). n/t	ProSense	Jun 2012	#439
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2012	#452
Disagree	Eastern Winds	Jun 2012	#343
Good post	Oilwellian	Jun 2012	#347
The third way party is almost as bad as the GOP.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#350
In some way they are worse. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#423
Say it isn't so. My heart is deflating, if it is. nt	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#353
That's interesting	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2012	#380
Fucking Halliburton?	Cali_Democrat	Jun 2012	#402
Kick.	pa28	Jun 2012	#403
#162nd rec here	inna	Jun 2012	#410
#163 but I was reluctant. Want to keep Manny humble. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#457
Wow! That sure brightened up my day. n/t	Hotler	Jun 2012	#422
Kicking, because I love this thread.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#433
I love you, Manny.	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#448
Let's not get all maudlin. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#456
I love you, too, Rhett	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#459
Good. And for the record, Warren has my vote. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#464
Aw, shucks	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#465
...	Agony	Jun 2012	#463
kick	QC	Jun 2012	#469
holy crap this is a long thread	limpyhobbler	Jun 2012	#471
Epic thread, Manny.	Kaleko	Jun 2012	#475
This thread links to the Huffington Post (a site funded by Scott Walker).	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#477
Right you are, it links to another posters thread	Rex	Jun 2012	#478
Except the controversial bit is "Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises."	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#479
Ugh...the criminal Issa	Rex	Jun 2012	#482
But "Third Way" Manny SUPPORTS NAFTA??? Weird!	Romulox	Jun 2012	#483
Heh, this will be so controversial, I actually agree with half of that...	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#484
So does CATO. nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#485
I doubt CATO would want it to be renegotiated.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#486
I don't think "Third Way" Manny wanted to touch this. Too confusing, I guess.	Romulox	Jun 2012	#491
Yeah, I failed hard there, I did NOT agree with their "modest" assessment, which is why I edited.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#492
Hero worship meets cognitive dissonance is the most charitable explanation I can give. nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#493
Actual Manny in no way, shape or form has ever supported NAFTA	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#495
He just disagrees with the consensus that it was a destroyer of millions of manufacturing jobs?	Romulox	Jun 2012	#496
Any jobs lost is tragic, awful	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2012	#497
_^_	Zorra	Jun 2012	#490
So....I gather from this thread	unreadierLizard	Jun 2012	#494

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