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25. Context matters.

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:03 AM

Jul 2016

The people who were trying to shout down the speakers, disrupt the program and undermine the nomination of the Democratic candidate for president, were not innocents in need of rescuing. They were the unAmerican agitators, they were the equivalent to the ones screaming "Iranians not welcome here", in your analogy. They were in effect saying that Hillary was not welcome there, and no one who supported her would be allowed to be heard. Well, the real patriots spoke up and sided with the veterans, the mothers, the victims, the survivors, the disabled, and everyone else those jerks tried to marginalize with their petty, self serving stunts.

If you want to be afraid, be really afraid that we have ridiculous and ugly people like that in our party who would rather put a man like Trump in the whitehouse than support our Democratic nominee because their precious ideology purity ismore important than the future of our great country! That's enough to make any sane person be afraid.

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I can still remember the daily repeated chants of "USA! USA! USA! USA!" outside my office window. [View all] stone space Jul 2016 OP

Unbridled patriotism makes me nervous as well. That said at least it was a very minor part of the think Jul 2016 #1

What else would you have prefer that chanted? giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #2

Good grief /nt think Jul 2016 #3

Poster asked a simple question leftynyc Jul 2016 #5

You must not have read my post. Cheers /nt think Jul 2016 #8

I most certainly did leftynyc Jul 2016 #34

Patriotism got us into the Iraq war. think Jul 2016 #41

Bad foreign policy along with anger and fear leftynyc Jul 2016 #47

I love America but I am not blind to dark underpinnings of American foreign policy nor the excess of think Jul 2016 #51

I'm Patriotic ProfessorGAC Jul 2016 #89

Well I'm glad you didn't fall for the psuedo patriotism that included chants of USA and flag worship think Jul 2016 #91

The poster's question was legitimate obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #16

Certainly not "shut the fuck up" and not because it's too long... think Jul 2016 #21

How about MARCO....POLO! MARCO? POLO! MARCO? POLO! snooper2 Jul 2016 #86

That would be better and shorter... think Jul 2016 #88

Oh look I have a groupie. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #23

They could have chanted "Hillary!". They could have chanted "No more wars!" stone space Jul 2016 #4

Lol, I think USA has been abused much like the word terror. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #27

Like "Family Values" LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #39

Ugh, that one was absolutely ruined. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #56

I think "America" has been abused worse loyalsister Jul 2016 #71

Was that being shouted as well? giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #73

I have no idea loyalsister Jul 2016 #79

Wow. grossproffit Jul 2016 #43

See, that's the problem with constant antagonism LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #53

Lol, could you have imagined the outrage if ppl had just giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #57

You tell no lies JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #80

how about "Hillary!" or "I'm with her!"? Surely you could think of a few more possibilities. Vattel Jul 2016 #12

Lol, oh fucking please giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #28

The SCSA "What?" chant? AngryAmish Jul 2016 #13

Absolutely LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #37

I knew it when I saw who was responding outraged & offended. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #63

“Veni, vidi, vici" progressoid Jul 2016 #62

No matter what they chanted, someone on DU would be concerned Democat Jul 2016 #6

There are not all that many things commonly chanted while breaking peoples' ribs. stone space Jul 2016 #7

Well since no ribs were broken during that chant, it looks like we're on our to way PersonNumber503602 Jul 2016 #94

Do you have a link to that news story? Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2016 #97

It happened to a friend decades ago. stone space Jul 2016 #98

That was 1980, this is 2016. The GOP has hijacked patriotism, we just rescued it from them. leftofcool Jul 2016 #9

For too long we've allowed Republicans to co opt patriotism Trekologer Jul 2016 #14

I wrote a thread on this in GD2016 -- exactly obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #17

A strong show of patriotism...lots of USA signs and flags too last night. Apparently not much jmg257 Jul 2016 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author sufrommich Jul 2016 #32

You did read the OP, right? I was referring to his fear about 1980 USA chants vs last night. jmg257 Jul 2016 #38

I'm sorry,I misunderstood you. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #42

No worries - cheers! nt jmg257 Jul 2016 #44

Nothing even vaguely similar to that happened at the Democratic Convention. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #11

The inclusiveness of the convention ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #22

I'll say I'm proud to be an American. PrideofJefferson Jul 2016 #15

Well put leftynyc Jul 2016 #48

Thanks! PrideofJefferson Jul 2016 #50

next convention mercuryblues Jul 2016 #18

There are many slogans that have never been shouted while breaking peoples' ribs. stone space Jul 2016 #20

I have mercuryblues Jul 2016 #26

So the people at the convention would have supported your friend being attacked? hack89 Jul 2016 #45

I was more bothered by the rude disruption of an important message. lapucelle Jul 2016 #54

I think "we suck as a country" is the chant of choice. God knows that's worked for the sufrommich Jul 2016 #33

Wow two threads on this. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #19

Was that while watching Khizr Khan? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #24

Context matters. procon Jul 2016 #25

+1 spooky3 Jul 2016 #36

So now folks who oppose war are unAmerican? Is that the whole point of the chant? stone space Jul 2016 #65

You're assuming that the opposition shouts were genuine; some of us doubt their motivation (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #66

Do you believe the delegares are UnAmerican? stone space Jul 2016 #67

No, I don't, but I would point out that your incessant harping on the issue is a large part LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #68

Why are Democratic delegates being called "UnAmerican"? (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #69

I'm not; why are you equating democratic delegates with the violence of 36 years ago? (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #70

See post #25. Democratic delegates are being called "unAmerican". (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #72

That doesn't answer my question LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #74

They shouted "USA" while they broke her ribs, that's why. stone space Jul 2016 #75

So, anybody who shouts "USA" bears responsibility for that? Seriously? LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #76

Why are Democratic delegates being called "unAmerican" here in this thread? (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #78

I cannot answer for what others do LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #82

I told a story about what happened to a friend by people shouting "USA!" stone space Jul 2016 #83

Wrong time, wrong place, yeah? procon Jul 2016 #81

Why did you choose this thread to call people "unAmerican"? stone space Jul 2016 #85

No sympathies. None. The context you offered was completely misplaced and off kilter, procon Jul 2016 #87

Yep (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #90

And here comes the pay off. SQUEE Jul 2016 #92

You have to understand the context in which things like this happen liberal N proud Jul 2016 #29

I think at the Olympics it also seems a little arrogant. progressoid Jul 2016 #60

I think all countries show a little national pride at the Olympics liberal N proud Jul 2016 #61

I never liked those chants growing up, sarae Jul 2016 #30

A much different context RonniePudding Jul 2016 #31

Implicit in this chant... CanSocDem Jul 2016 #35

If Canadians started chanting Canada at one of their political events PersonNumber503602 Jul 2016 #95

Understandable you still feel the experience. apcalc Jul 2016 #40

The GOP stole OUR flag. We're just taking it back. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #46

^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #55

They should not be allowed to hijack the USA treestar Jul 2016 #49

Your first thread on this didn't work out the way you wanted BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #52

I agree with you runaway hero Jul 2016 #58

So, it's long past time for us to reclaim that chant, don't you think? (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #59

Look at this a different way GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #64

What you should be afraid of: sarisataka Jul 2016 #77

Not everyone is a big fan of Democracy. Rex Jul 2016 #84

I was in college in the '80s REP Jul 2016 #93

I've never cared for it... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #96