Rules are meaningless unless there is a way to enforce them. (Reply #138)

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Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:44 PM

Scruffy1 (3,007 posts)

138. Rules are meaningless unless there is a way to enforce them.

In this case the emails were uncovered, but there are a lot of ways of communicating. What I would like to see to see is more power at the local level. It seems to me that the DNC and super delegate system is weighted in favor of entrenched power.i was an active union member for much of my life, and I know that union leadership simply supports and curries favor with those in power or the most likely to be in power. One of the unions I belong to actually gave money to Darryl Issa. I have no problems with elected officials being super delegates since they are democratically elected, but union bosses are not really elected democratically. These are all things to think over in the future, but for now the main job is burying the Republican Party six feet under.

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Please rec if you want the DNC to comply with their own impartiality rule. [View all]	Scuba	Jul 2016	OP
Those are the facts	safeinOhio	Jul 2016	#1
The primary was already over. nt	DURHAM D	Jul 2016	#2
AKA "The ends justify the means" nt	retrowire	Jul 2016	#36
No, thats not what that saying means. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2016	#182
What "means"... this is the 11th post I've read intimating the impartiality and no proof given	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#213
Here's proof: We had 14 presidential candidates,	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#235
The flood already happened so why go back and show where we need damns-logic eh?	bjobotts	Jul 2016	#163
+1	OnionPatch	Jul 2016	#220
No, we need to rebuild the levee	ChairmanAgnostic	Jul 2016	#248
The Murder is Over	liberalmike27	Jul 2016	#244
Why keep fighting the last primary?	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#3
I'm not, I'm trying to get folks to see we need to clean up the DNC.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#9
I disagree. IMO, you are fighting the last primary.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#11
Your mind-reading powers don't work.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#12
Flag on the play...	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#14
So you assign my motives, then complain when I point out that you're wrong. Typical.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#17
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SO take the Penalty and kick the FIELD GOAL...	yuiyoshida	Jul 2016	#25
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Encroachment!!!	yuiyoshida	Jul 2016	#30
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TOUCH DOWN RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIDERSSSS!!!!!	yuiyoshida	Jul 2016	#38
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GAME OVAH!!!	yuiyoshida	Jul 2016	#45
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Damn! You're good! I've enjoyed your powerful comebacks with a smile! eom	BlueCaliDem	Jul 2016	#53
Can't wait for the fall!!	yuiyoshida	Jul 2016	#59
Confirming once again, that projection is the problem for the rudest folks	Android3.14	Jul 2016	#86
Hey there (off-topic somewhat)	lordsummerisle	Jul 2016	#170
Said no one ever...	TipTok	Jul 2016	#102
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#83
I don't see it that way.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#84
Many folks disagree with your premise.	ChairmanAgnostic	Jul 2016	#91
Many folks agree with my premise. eom	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#93
I don't doubt you.	ChairmanAgnostic	Jul 2016	#94
On the other hand, some of us do not.	chwaliszewski	Jul 2016	#189
Um, no. It is still about the last primary. Don't worry about cleaning up the DNC. We will be fine.	Laser102	Jul 2016	#212
It is NOT fighting the last Primary.	bvar22	Jul 2016	#128
You are entitled to your opinion.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#129
Fighting the last primary	cannabis_flower	Jul 2016	#115
Fighting the last primary also implies...	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#116
It's mostly	cannabis_flower	Jul 2016	#119
Not all of Sanders' supporters are on DU	Orrex	Jul 2016	#178
You can't tell me	cannabis_flower	Jul 2016	#190
This Sanders Supporter Like The Rest Of The 99% Are Tired Of Being Attacked	Yallow	Jul 2016	#196
+1000	LiberalLovinLug	Jul 2016	#245
^this^	AlbertCat	Jul 2016	#250
it is false to claim that none of his supporters are trying to discredit Clinton	AlbertCat	Jul 2016	#249
I haven't claimed "that none of his supporters are trying to discredit Clinton"	Orrex	Jul 2016	#251
The last primary serves to show the example of what needs to change.So it's re fighting it	bjobotts	Jul 2016	#161
There is absolutely nothing that needs to change. eom	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#162
There is absolutely nothing that needs to change.	AlbertCat	Jul 2016	#252
you are fighting the last primary.	AlbertCat	Jul 2016	#247
I agree with you-------------100%	turbinetree	Jul 2016	#218
The DNC is about a whole lot more	PatSeg	Jul 2016	#21
I see nothing wrong in anything in the DNC emails.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#22
Well "people"	PatSeg	Jul 2016	#26
Nope, there was nothing wrong in any email, so no need to...	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#29
I disagree	PatSeg	Jul 2016	#31
And I disagree with you.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#34
Yep	PatSeg	Jul 2016	#42
So you "see nothing wrong" with DNC operating in clear violation of its own charter?	99th_Monkey	Jul 2016	#77
I see absolutely NO violation of their charter in any of the emails.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#78
Very white and straight of you. Those emails about Bernie's being Jewish or an atheist	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2016	#111
And the author of those emails apologized for them.	Akamai	Jul 2016	#198
A few flippant comments about something that NEVER happened is "plenty wrong"? And we don't...	George II	Jul 2016	#70
Other than the fact that members of the DNC are admitting to writing them	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#90
How many "members" have apologized? Funny thing, I just did a google on "DNC apology"....	George II	Jul 2016	#95
Headline: Top DNC Official Apologizes for 'Insensitive' Email After Leak	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#126
Well, since you were so smugly sarcastic and dismissive I won't feel too guilty pointing this out..	George II	Jul 2016	#135
Since when are DNC senior staff not DNC members?	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#136
Since forever.	George II	Jul 2016	#137
That's some circular logic.	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#139
"Senior staff" are EMPLOYEES, not members. Ever join a health club? You're a member, the people...	George II	Jul 2016	#153
I've worked for the DNC while being a member. I worked for a churched while	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#159
Well then, just go to the link I gave you a while back and see if that "Senior Staffer"...	George II	Jul 2016	#160
That link is a list of Super Delegates. Not all members of the DNC are	Exilednight	Jul 2016	#165
No... you can't really say that straight faced can you?	Nancyswidower	Jul 2016	#202
Nothing wrong, but they're apologizing anyway. Weird.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#48
Because assholes on the left, the right and in the media are pushing a narrative.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#49
Yeah, impartiality is way over-rated anyway, right?	KPN	Jul 2016	#80
How were they impartial? tia	uponit7771	Jul 2016	#214
Good question!	KPN	Jul 2016	#240
"The left, the right, and the media".	Marr	Jul 2016	#144
Did someone tell you to say that?	humbled_opinion	Jul 2016	#107
I didn;t see anything you claim in in those emails.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#109
Here is one of them so you can actually read it.	humbled_opinion	Jul 2016	#110
I see precisely zero of anything you claimed in that email.	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#114
Really?	humbled_opinion	Jul 2016	#121
Are you completely new ot politics?????	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#122
No but I was under the impression	humbled_opinion	Jul 2016	#124
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#167
You just completely misquoted the email you are referencing, making it out to be...	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#168
Of course you don't.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#205
So.... "People are people"?	Plucketeer	Jul 2016	#236
Some will just never give up.	George II	Jul 2016	#65
SOME of us HOPE that MANY will never give up,	elleng	Jul 2016	#132
They want us to give up.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#140
Huh? You're okay with partiality in official acts by the DNC?	KPN	Jul 2016	#74
What "official acts" are you talking about?	George II	Jul 2016	#97
Shut up and do what your told.Now send us money to keep ignoring you..That way you won't be bothered	bjobotts	Jul 2016	#169
Setting the playing field for the next primary. nt	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jul 2016	#87
I don't see it that way. eom	MohRokTah	Jul 2016	#88
Debs can not be trusted to remain impartial IN THE FUTURE.	grahamhgreen	Jul 2016	#98
Because getting a candidate ready for the next one is HARD WORK.	JoePhilly	Jul 2016	#143
How about fighting for the next one. n/t	whopis01	Jul 2016	#145
Why keep posting meaningless, inflammatory dreck? nt	appal_jack	Jul 2016	#241
somebody alerted this too, trying to put a finger on the scale here.	yurbud	Jul 2016	#4
Especially suspicious since the post advocating for the opposite	WolverineDG	Jul 2016	#5
And they're being recommended by the same suspects...	tallahasseedem	Jul 2016	#6
Really? Someone alerted this thread? Wow.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#13
Yes, and even though i disagree with you.	Amimnoch	Jul 2016	#106
Thanks. Sad someone would alert this, but I suspect all my threads have been alerted for months now.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#108
And someone alerted your post. n/t	Adsos Letter	Jul 2016	#19
Gee, it's almost like they think I matter.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#50
for what?	yurbud	Jul 2016	#52
it fell under "discussing how the site is run"	Adsos Letter	Jul 2016	#56
Actions were impartial	frazzled	Jul 2016	#7
This is about actions that were not impartial, not opinions.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#10
What actions were taken?	frazzled	Jul 2016	#23
This, and other stuff like this ...	Scuba	Jul 2016	#24
After the primary was over	frazzled	Jul 2016	#60
That actually shows the DNC was bending over backwards for Sanders.	SunSeeker	Jul 2016	#61
I saw two former DNC chairs	PatSeg	Jul 2016	#89
I have a feeling they both had less emails to contend with during their time....	Moonwalk	Jul 2016	#142
DURec	leftstreet	Jul 2016	#8
Please give up the ghost already. nt	arthritisR_US	Jul 2016	#15
k & r! n/t	wildbilln864	Jul 2016	#16
If people thought the DNC's partiality "didn't matter"	DirkGently	Jul 2016	#20
How long has Bernie been a Democrat?	Kingofalldems	Jul 2016	#28
That has what to do with this? nt	retrowire	Jul 2016	#33
Apparently he is still a Democrat.	stage left	Jul 2016	#37
How long have most dems been a dem?	elmac	Jul 2016	#43
How many of his 13 MILLION voters do you think you don't need.	onecaliberal	Jul 2016	#113
My point was there was resentment to his coming to the party late.	Kingofalldems	Jul 2016	#118
He has voted with and caucused with democrats his entire career	onecaliberal	Jul 2016	#146
Don't know I am not a honcho--for the record I like all dems	Kingofalldems	Jul 2016	#147
I am not a "honcho" either, whatever the fuck that means.	onecaliberal	Jul 2016	#148
'you people' What the hell is that supposed to mean?	Kingofalldems	Jul 2016	#151
Apparently, you think all 13 million	Darb	Jul 2016	#166
Small or big 'D' Democrat?	mwooldri	Jul 2016	#130
+1000	LongTomH	Jul 2016	#133
I love following rules!	retrowire	Jul 2016	#32
Just wondering?	shadowmayor	Jul 2016	#39
I wass never an enthusiastic supporter of either candidate	loyalsister	Jul 2016	#117
Yes, they did a no no	elmac	Jul 2016	#40
K & R!	Cobalt Violet	Jul 2016	#44
I find it interesting that most of these threads	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#46
Unsurprisingly, Hillary's fan base doesn't seem to mind the rules violation.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#51
is my observation incorrect? nt.	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#54
I don't know.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#57
You mean you haven't read any of the other couple of dozen threads	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#58
I don't pay much attention to avatars and sig lines.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#64
Then why do you have so many of them? nt.	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#67
Because others do.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#69
But you don't pay attention to them - right?	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#73
There wasn't a rules violation. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2016	#183
You don't believe they violated the impartiality rule?	Scuba	Jul 2016	#184
Nope, and I am pretty sure they didnt.	stevenleser	Jul 2016	#186
Yours seems to be a minority opinion, and it flies in the face of the facts.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#187
Not really. I've seen very few folks who understand the rule accuse her of violating it.	stevenleser	Jul 2016	#188
Sure, it's just the inability of us peons outside the beltway to understand.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#191
Sure, make it about that if it makes you feel better. nt	stevenleser	Jul 2016	#192
What's your point?	Dawgs	Jul 2016	#231
Recommended--It is my sincere hope that the DNC can clean house	panader0	Jul 2016	#55
Respectfully - if you think internal "Party Politics" will ever disappear	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#62
Yeah, so why have rules?	Scuba	Jul 2016	#63
We have rules to keep us on our best behavior - imperfect as we are.	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#66
I just think it's important the our party leaders follow the rules, especially the impartiality one.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#68
No arguement there	Blue Idaho	Jul 2016	#72
Such an authoritarian!	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#172
LOL	Scuba	Jul 2016	#173
Petty, deceptive, whiners from Wikileaks have their rubes just waiting to	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#175
Right, 'cause no one could genuinely care if the DNC ran a fair primary.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#177
Those emails do not back up the exaggerated claims Wikileaks is making....	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#179
I'm not aware Wikileaks made any claims, just that they released the emails.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#180
And yet in no other context or circumstance will you hear any Democrat attempt to dismiss	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2016	#120
Their "impartial" thumb is still on the scale now in important primaries	stuffmatters	Jul 2016	#127
+2, well said and concisely. nt.	druidity33	Jul 2016	#195
Absolutely.	Still In Wisconsin	Jul 2016	#71
KnR and...	chknltl	Jul 2016	#75
K&r	Don Draper	Jul 2016	#76
K&R	floriduck	Jul 2016	#79
The defense here is stunning.	KPN	Jul 2016	#81
Some even receding the other thread.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#82
Yes it is. nt	Dawgs	Jul 2016	#233
Well, it looks like DWS was a sacrificial pawn in this game.	PoliticalMalcontent	Jul 2016	#85
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#92
are people seriously okay with our party breaking its own rules?	retrowire	Jul 2016	#96
Here, from the "Greatest" page ...	Scuba	Jul 2016	#99
ugh i cant even. nt	retrowire	Jul 2016	#103
Situational ethics on display.	Throd	Jul 2016	#101
clearly the ends justify the means. nt	retrowire	Jul 2016	#104
They are more interested in going after and trashing who exposed the rule breaking	m-lekktor	Jul 2016	#200
If you want??? A little late for that.	Paper Roses	Jul 2016	#100
Debbie Wasserman Shultz	humbled_opinion	Jul 2016	#105
"National Chairperson shall serve full time" DWS had TWO full-time jobs	Equinox Moon	Jul 2016	#112
Excellent observation.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#125
R&R&R	zentrum	Jul 2016	#123
In my county's Dem Central Committee, we're reqiured to be impartial during primaries.	cyberswede	Jul 2016	#131
A big K&R	LongTomH	Jul 2016	#134
Rules are meaningless unless there is a way to enforce them.	Scruffy1	Jul 2016	#138
Missing the point	Chitown879	Jul 2016	#141
that's ridiculous	stupidicus	Jul 2016	#150
How was he treated differently?	George II	Jul 2016	#224
get a clue	stupidicus	Jul 2016	#257
"Bernie was and still is an Independent." No...totally false statement	Nancyswidower	Jul 2016	#203
Really?	George II	Jul 2016	#223
Wrong.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#206
the moral high ground has less value than "winning"	stupidicus	Jul 2016	#149
Yet another artful way of refighting the Primary.	Firebrand Gary	Jul 2016	#152
Couldn't possibly be that anyone really cares if the DNC is fair and honest or not.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#155
No.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#207
Abandoning religious bigotry would be good, too.	merrily	Jul 2016	#154
What a concept.	klook	Jul 2016	#156
Recced, but we will never really see this. It is a pipe dream. n/t	Yo_Mama	Jul 2016	#157
I would like them to. I pointed out this violation of the DNC Charter ByLaws yesterday...	Triana	Jul 2016	#158
Do they have to be impartial with the Socialist Party too?	Darb	Jul 2016	#164
What a strange response.	demmiblue	Jul 2016	#171
Sanders is a Socialist....derrrrrr,	Darb	Jul 2016	#181
Sanders was registered to run as a Democrat.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#208
Not either.	Darb	Jul 2016	#222
Yes, accusing people of "whining" is helpful.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#225
Tried to help, no longer.	Darb	Jul 2016	#226
Please respond with something not silly.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#229
Who says I am talking about you?	Darb	Jul 2016	#230
Good grief.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#234
Rules are for the little people.	JEB	Jul 2016	#174
K & R	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#176
K&R	CharlotteVale	Jul 2016	#185
Practice what you preach?	chwaliszewski	Jul 2016	#193
Retroactively!	ozone_man	Jul 2016	#194
...	geologic	Jul 2016	#197
yes i would love to see that happen	joedogs	Jul 2016	#199
I am not going to rec anything that has to due with this....	chillfactor	Jul 2016	#201
Yeah.	Hissyspit	Jul 2016	#209
K&R!	Lunabell	Jul 2016	#204
K and R (nt)	bigwillq	Jul 2016	#210
I do feel the Democratic Party should be impartial to all REGISTERED Democrats. That being said,	Laser102	Jul 2016	#211
The point is the next primary, and the one after that, and in this current election ...	Scuba	Jul 2016	#215
Perhaps, the DNC's conduct of the -next- primary?	HereSince1628	Jul 2016	#227
K&R..	disillusioned73	Jul 2016	#216
Some people actually recced my other thread ...	Scuba	Jul 2016	#217
this is the first topic ive seen hit near 300 recs in a while	retrowire	Jul 2016	#219
Apparently many DU members value honesty and fairness.	Scuba	Jul 2016	#221
mmhmm! nt	retrowire	Jul 2016	#232
This feels like a Bush v Gore flashback to me.	Greybnk48	Jul 2016	#243
exactly	wallyworld2	Jul 2016	#254
I'm with you here.	alarimer	Jul 2016	#228
what a shocking and unreasonable request	uhnope	Jul 2016	#237
Rec'd, though it's a little late. n/t	crim son	Jul 2016	#238
k&r	Yuugal	Jul 2016	#239
K & R! Impartiality and fairness is absolutely important to maintain in that position. n/t	xocet	Jul 2016	#242
Big Time Rec!!!	desmiller	Jul 2016	#246
We need	wallyworld2	Jul 2016	#253
K&R	B Calm	Jul 2016	#255
K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	burrowowl	Jul 2016	#256

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