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Martin Eden

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45. I don't think you understood my question

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 05:06 PM

Jul 2016

I asked:

Though force of arms ultimately resulted in the 13th Amendment which abolished slavery, is armed insurrection against the police a means by which police departments and conduct will be reformed for the better?

Are you saying that in the wake of the police brutality cases you cited the police departments were forced to reform after being defeated in battle by armed insurrections?

Remember, the context in our hypothetical debate is the Civil War. One army, through force of arms, militarily defeated another army.

In the context of the issue at hand are you suggesting that more Dallas shooters will carry the day and defeat the authorities to stop police brutality and racial bias?

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Re: Baton Rouge [View all] LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 OP

Good post mainstreetonce Jul 2016 #1

Let's not turn into the beast we detest Hulk Jul 2016 #33

Exactly!! n/t michaz Jul 2016 #2

I am sorry do you think BLM supports shooting officers? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #3

See above. LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #4

Obviously not. Read the original post for comprehension. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #6

John Brown's body lies a'mouldering in his grave, but his soul KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #5

John Brown's plot failed Martin Eden Jul 2016 #8

Brown had little to do with Lincoln winning the election but a lot to do with southern secession. Hoppy Jul 2016 #20

Brown's raid apparently prompted several southern states to form, arm and train new KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #24

If Lincoln lost, the South wouldn't have seceded in response to the election. Martin Eden Jul 2016 #41

The 1992 Los Angeles insurrection in response to the brutal beat-down KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #44

I don't think you understood my question Martin Eden Jul 2016 #45

Hiw much do you know or remember about the 1992 LA insurrection? The KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #50

The LADP ran outta my neighborhood so fast you'd think the devil was on their heels bravenak Jul 2016 #52

Enough to know it doesn't support your argument Martin Eden Jul 2016 #54

The LA insurrection defeated soundly the LAPD (the force in question) and KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #55

The authorities were not defeated by force of arms Martin Eden Jul 2016 #56

The LAPD were defeated. That's all that's been at issue, as far as I'm concerned, per your KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #57

"organized mass resistance or even unorganized mass resistance is another matter entirely" Martin Eden Jul 2016 #59

Inferring from your most recent post, you seem to believe the system is capable of reforming KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #60

That depends on how "system" is defined. Martin Eden Jul 2016 #61

Back to John Brown. He and his followers represented the fringe of the fringe at the time. Most KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #62

"And yet history vindicated Brown" Martin Eden Jul 2016 #63

Douglass may have been cool to Brown's entreaties before the raid, not wishing to embark on what he KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #64

John Brown's raid was perhaps one of the last turning points leading to the Civil War . . . brush Jul 2016 #53

Oy. "John Brown's plot failed." Shows a decided ignorance of the KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #22

"John Brown's plot failed" is a fact. Martin Eden Jul 2016 #39

Fixed the typo LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #10

Yup. There are many ways to fight injustice. There's talking, economics, and then there's force. craigmatic Jul 2016 #12

Did I Miss Something mrsv Jul 2016 #7

Nobody said that. LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #9

Oh I see mrsv Jul 2016 #23

That was... LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #46

These are not BLM supporters even if they claim they are.... chowder66 Jul 2016 #11

You can't have it both ways Democat Jul 2016 #13

er, you're equating people asking simply to not be shot to "right wing anger"? Schema Thing Jul 2016 #14

People are not asking not to be shot. They are raging about black men being shot Democat Jul 2016 #17

Right wing radio and personalities foment and call for violence chowder66 Jul 2016 #19

Unstable people sometimes go from rage to violence Democat Jul 2016 #25

That is not my point in response to the OP though I agree. chowder66 Jul 2016 #27

I agree Democat Jul 2016 #28

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE Cosmocat Jul 2016 #38

Strongly disagree GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #21

I too disagree with my own statement regarding religion chowder66 Jul 2016 #29

All good. GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #34

Thx, you too! nt chowder66 Jul 2016 #35

That's a bit of a 'no true scotsman'. n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #36

I'm not sure if you saw my edit but chowder66 Jul 2016 #37

Not an ambush Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #15

There was no people shooting at each other. LisaL Jul 2016 #51

The NRA and freepers don't know it. IronLionZion Jul 2016 #16

Right wingers openly talk about their hatred of government Democat Jul 2016 #18

Blows the NRA Mantra HockeyMom Jul 2016 #30

Police Chief and mayor of Dallas came out against good guys with guns IronLionZion Jul 2016 #31

Nonviolence is the best way to go. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #26

You do know Gandhi was racist right? NobodyHere Jul 2016 #32

I believe he was... Deuce Jul 2016 #43

which makes me wonder how much this really is related to BLM yurbud Jul 2016 #40

This thread... Wednesdays Jul 2016 #42

"Fighting brutality by the authorities with violent retribution always backfires." Tell that to the Rex Jul 2016 #47

George Washington... LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #49

Voting and spending are the ways to effect change....NOT violence. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #48

Well stated. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #58