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Response to LWolf (Reply #66)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 04:31 PM

112. Let's see:

The source in your first link talks about the "willfull destruction of Yugoslavia" by the West, conveniently forgetting a genocidal civil-war that was only stopped by NATO bombing the shit out of the serbian army. The author clearly has an agenda and won't let facts get in the way of a good story. No thanks.

Your second link makes good points why the EU is neoliberal, but neglects to talk about the UK and what its stance on neoliberalism is. Do they like it? Do they oppose it? The EU is predominantly Christian. Does that mean that Brexit was a vote to leave Christianity?

Quote from your third link: "So Brexit becomes a proxy vote for all the discontent with the UK austerity, benefit cuts, poor quality job creation and wage stagnation." => The EU was scapegoated for the neoliberal policies of the UK.
The article also mentions that predominantly working-class-people voted for Brexit... which would be a good statistical discriminator if it hadn't turned out that many, many british voters were utterly misinformed and ignorant about facts surrounding the vote.
The rest of the article keeps talking about the EU and neglects to talk about the UK and what its stance on neoliberalism is.
(Am I mistaken, or is the author indirectly pleading that the EU become a socialist super-state who regulates trade between countries on an individual basis so that the spoils of economic profit get spread evenly?)

From the fourth article: "Over the last two years we have seen the EU for what it really is a prison house for workers that imposes austerity and fosters racism and xenophobia."
Indeed. The EU is fostering racism and xenophobia with free travel between countries that tried to literally kill each other 75 years ago. With exchange-programs and cultural programs that bring people together. With providing a forum where all countries can discuss issues on a regular basis. Yeah... that's how one furthers racism and xenophobia. The Neonazis are doing it wrong: If they really want to attract voters, they should organize cultural exchange-programs.
Next, the article brings up Greece: A country that has been living beyond its means and cooking its books for decades, dutifully supported by greek voters throughout the times. But now as the chickens come home to roost, it's poor, widdle, innocent Greece. Where was the greek outcry to get rid of the embezzlement and corruption in everyday-life? Where was the greek resistance? Instead they pocketed the cash and kept their mouths shut because they got their share. And now they complain that the greek economy is in shambles? Because of their fuck-stupid decision to vote for corrupt capitalists over and over and over again!!!
Up next we have a misrepresentation of the refugee-situation in the EU.
And after that, the article mentions that the Brexit was a proxy-vote against the establishment and the economic policies of Britain's own politicians, yet still manages to place the blame for Britain's political decisions on the EU.

From the fifth article: "Brexit is a crippling blow to the neoliberal order of unfettered trade and capital flows, and citizens being reduced to being consumers who have to fend for themselves in markets, and worse, increasingly isolated worker who are at the mercy of capitalists..."
Yes, Brexit is a blow to trade and capital flows (and the UK will suffer economically from that isolationist stance). But was this isolation intended as a blow against trade or as a blow against far-away rulers? Don't forget: The UK has always liked to bash the EU, even at the best of times, and (to repeat myself) many people who voted for Brexit were simply misinformed.
How many Brexit-voters have actually said that they are voting Brexit because of the economy???

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