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In reply to the discussion: Please, please stop spreading the lie that Brexit was to fight against neoliberalism [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)87. None of your rant against neoliberalism (as you define it) has anything to do with UK, EU or Brexit.
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Please, please stop spreading the lie that Brexit was to fight against neoliberalism [View all]
DetlefK
Jun 2016
OP
The vote was a whole lot less about "bigoted nostalgia" than about pensions, or the loss of them.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#8
They care a whole lot less about them than those who are facing poverty in old age.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#13
I already answered that. Like Ireland, Scotland and N Ire gain from EU and global investment
leveymg
Jun 2016
#86
Thats a bullshit answer , Scotland and N.I. have been impacted just as much if not more so
pkdu
Jun 2016
#90
Nope...you are just plain wrong...look at all the expression of voters exiting below...especially
pkdu
Jun 2016
#116
See #111. The close split on capitalism most closely reflects the outcome of the referendum.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#117
No, the close split on capitalism means that capitalism has nothing to do with the referendum
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#124
Last name order is purely random. But, opinion on capitalism is relevant to one's Brexit vote
leveymg
Jun 2016
#125
Downloaded the detailed data. Some interesting findings: Retired and unemployed were mostly Leavers
leveymg
Jun 2016
#127
Detailed data at Table 33 says you're wrong, Muriel. Poorer areas-Leave, poorer respondents-Leave.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#128
That merely obscures the data: Leave correlates strongly with class, employment, age,
leveymg
Jun 2016
#135
It correlates much more strongly with views against immigration and multiculturalism
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#136
The data does not show that older Britains are "quite happy with capitalism" Only 39% say
leveymg
Jun 2016
#137
No, 39% is the overall capitalism 'good' figure; for 65+, it's 47%
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#138
So, you didn't find anything that provides a ranking of these issues by importance?
leveymg
Jun 2016
#140
An ORB poll showed 52/37 considered the UK economy a bigger issue than immigration
leveymg
Jun 2016
#143
That's the figures for everyone; Leave were 31% economy more important, 57% disagreeing
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#144
The winners will create a "neoliberal fantasy island freed from EU regulations". Pensions are going
pampango
Jun 2016
#33
Pensions?! That's an invented angle. And it's not Ageism to show the very clear divide in the vote
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2016
#59
"Neoliberalism is at the core of Brexit". No, pure bred conservativism is at the core of Brexit.
pampango
Jun 2016
#37
Baloney. FDR was neither neoliberal nor conservative. Sweden is not neoliberal nor conservative now.
pampango
Jun 2016
#73
FDR talked a lot about conservatism because it was an issue of his era. It still is, IMHO.
pampango
Jun 2016
#99
Thanks for the definition. That does not prove anything with respect to Brexit. Polling date shows
pampango
Jun 2016
#76
The City of London is neoliberal with a gusto. The rest of England a lot less so, obviously.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#4
Scotland's economy is more tied to Europe than the English Midlands and South. And Separatism.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#11
As progressive countries will do. They voted to Remain. Smart move on their part.
pampango
Jun 2016
#40
I agree that Scotland and Sanders are both progressive on lowering college fees. Both were Remain
pampango
Jun 2016
#52
Thanks for the input, interesting. Like the way you described civic nationalism.
appalachiablue
Jun 2016
#41
I am arguing that Brexit had nothing to do with being for or against neoliberalism.
DetlefK
Jun 2016
#24
Progressive like with strong labor and environmental standards, world class income equality,
pampango
Jun 2016
#44
Why did some Labour voters vote to Leave? For the same reasons that many, many Conservative
pampango
Jun 2016
#103
"Young people didn't show when it mattered yet again." And old people did and got their way.
pampango
Jun 2016
#105
It's almost as absurd as saying they are racists because they didn't want open borders.
modem77
Jun 2016
#20
Maybe you aren't a person of color / Polish accent / headscarf who has spent time in Britain lately.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2016
#70
This chart completely demolishes that meme about Brexit being a rejection of neoliberalism
YoungDemCA
Jun 2016
#34
If you really, really want it to be about rejecting neoliberalism, polling data does not matter.
pampango
Jun 2016
#50
Interesting how the divide on capitalism most closely reflects the actual vote.
leveymg
Jun 2016
#111
Boris is Bananas, even manic, albeit entertaining at times. Can't believe he'd be PM.
appalachiablue
Jun 2016
#43
Good luck preaching to the antineoliberalchorus who are mostly just parrots.
Stinky The Clown
Jun 2016
#51
None of your rant against neoliberalism (as you define it) has anything to do with UK, EU or Brexit.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2016
#87
It's OK. You could have tied your def'n to UK, used UK/EU examples, but we don't need to go further.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2016
#109
Your correct, I don't need his words the rest of the article proves the point.
fasttense
Jun 2016
#75
David Harvey uses the term neoliberalism to describe Lewis Powell's 1971 confidential memorandum to
jtuck004
Jun 2016
#61
I don't believe layering over one neoliberal prone government with another is not
fasttense
Jun 2016
#80
Gutter-Populism ultimately degenerates into paranoid conspiracy theories about the "Powers That Be".
Odin2005
Jun 2016
#113