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Denzil_DC

(7,187 posts)
133. It's vanishingly unlikely to happen,
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jun 2016

but aside from the possible process in that graphic, two-thirds of MPs could vote to hold a general election immediately (to overcome the fixed-term in office the previous coalition government brought in), and if a party stood on a manifesto of staying in the EU and won a majority, the referendum would be void.

"Thatcherism" was UK's Reaganomics FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #1
Yes - they were best pals and influenced each other a lot LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #252
A sovereign nation may be better able to defeat Reaganism/Thatcherism nt The Far Left Jun 2016 #279
+1, Trump and Putin supported Brexit ... Obama was against it, bout all I need to know to about it.. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #2
Where is the quote Putin weighed in on this at all? davidn3600 Jun 2016 #8
link inside uponit7771 Jun 2016 #15
That's his reaction to it davidn3600 Jun 2016 #44
That was his position from the start, not just his reaction uponit7771 Jun 2016 #49
boris the spider bora13 Jun 2016 #169
I can't disagree with Putin. 840high Jun 2016 #222
You are correct. In fact he implied recently that it was not a good thing newthinking Jun 2016 #226
That isn't what your article says. ronnie624 Jun 2016 #66
Red Herring, my point is he supported it no matter how much he weighed in on it... I think I made uponit7771 Jun 2016 #68
What is clear, is that your assertion is false. n/t ronnie624 Jun 2016 #71
Geez, what is your issue with Putin? I've only read about a gazillion articles regarding Putin's Native Jun 2016 #93
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #124
It comes from the same place that the "Putin said he wants the USSR back" came from newthinking Jun 2016 #228
This is false on its face, His comment wasn't made BECAUSE of the leave vote his thinking was... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #106
Ideally, ronnie624 Jun 2016 #157
Even 3 days ago he was keeping his opinion to himself. OnlinePoker Jun 2016 #114
Yeap, his opinion was he supported it IE his "weak nation" phrase uponit7771 Jun 2016 #119
Obama is for the TPP, Trump is against it. end of line n/t PatrynXX Jun 2016 #110
That's even more of a reason to take a second look at the TPP too, I'm not anti trade I'm anti uponit7771 Jun 2016 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #202
Since TPP written by corportations, I'm sure just fine. George Eliot Jun 2016 #267
So its 100% written by corps or were they allowed to weigh in? I'm not anti corporation either, ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #268
Perhaps I'm wrong but these are my sources. George Eliot Jun 2016 #281
I'd like hard proof that it was 100% written by corps not conjecture, again... I'm not anti .... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #282
It's a sad commentary on our times, isn't it? forest444 Jun 2016 #129
+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #172
Right GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #198
I've seen nothing to suggest that Merkel was trying to get other nations to emulate Germany's labor w4rma Jun 2016 #223
So you actually didn't read about this at all. runaway hero Jun 2016 #237
Thank you. An excellent summary. Koinos Jun 2016 #3
As an American anoNY42 Jun 2016 #4
But that's two different issues ... Whiskeytide Jun 2016 #167
I am a Californian The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #265
Nicely stated! No American progressive or any other educated human should support Brexit. LonePirate Jun 2016 #5
Says you RelativelyJones Jun 2016 #33
There is very little that is progressive BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #72
It would seem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #89
Too true. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #91
+1, OP worthy uponit7771 Jun 2016 #120
Yup wryter2000 Jun 2016 #180
Really? RelativelyJones Jun 2016 #131
LOL - buh-bye! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #142
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "McKinseyeqse (sic)"? n/t xocet Jun 2016 #168
Bob & Doug? bigbrother05 Jun 2016 #192
Start with the trade unions' position on how the EU gives workers protection: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #190
Then you don't know or understand Britain PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #275
Imposing views is all well and fine. Igel Jun 2016 #65
Good point except English haven't had an indigenous population since the 300's. haele Jun 2016 #112
But they have formed a unique cukture elljay Jun 2016 #161
Again, the problem is that there is not really an "English Culture" any more than the "US" culture. haele Jun 2016 #210
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #244
Actually, I do know what I'm talking about. I saw the breakdown of the Brexit vote. haele Jun 2016 #246
Thank you for your time in helping us to libdem4life Jun 2016 #261
Well, the people SHOULD have a right to vote on it, whether we like the outcome or not 7962 Jun 2016 #165
For folks disillusioned with Global Capitalism's un-democratic domination, Brexit is hitting back nikto Jun 2016 #262
More related material. proverbialwisdom Jun 2016 #271
Thanks! nikto Jun 2016 #272
This is worth learning about. I appreciate your hefty compilation of material, thank you! (nt) proverbialwisdom Jun 2016 #273
Excellent summary! Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #6
LOL!! truebrit71 Jun 2016 #209
Sing it, sister! Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #7
that's the sad part NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #37
Yup. And immigrants. n/t Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #40
If it would only be 52% that would speak highly of them as humans The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #280
Great post auntpurl! JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #9
I can't believe some of what I'm reading here. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #10
A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #11
PM Cameron fucked a pig. Really? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #12
I never called anyone ignorant, and I never said they were supporting Trump. auntpurl Jun 2016 #31
Perhaps you should re-read your post! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #88
He is correct for all I have seen and read. Jim Beard Jun 2016 #269
Trump supports Brexit. Those who support Brexit side with Trump Logic 101! leftofcool Jun 2016 #83
No..that is an informal fallacy. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #90
Siding with Trump =/= Trump supporter. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #218
Thank you for this op La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #13
Thank you. DUers cheering this crap on are perplexing,to sufrommich Jun 2016 #14
I'm trying to think of the number of fucks Americans really care about this snooper2 Jun 2016 #16
Sure, sure. Dow's down by 500, I'm sure it'll be fine. auntpurl Jun 2016 #22
As of now it's down 366. nt cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #41
And was up substantially yesterday on the assumption that Remain would triumph FBaggins Jun 2016 #69
One would think the British Isles are being towed to the middle of The Pond and readied for sinking. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #174
Enough people here seemingly care enough about it... Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #30
Two Words, snoooper2: Unintended Consequences Native Jun 2016 #98
Yep. ExPat daughter and British husband have cancelled plans vanlassie Jun 2016 #173
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #17
Great points! texstad79 Jun 2016 #18
72.2% voter turnout. That's very high. No UK General Election has had such high turnout since Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #42
Nice analysis. You're right, of course. No one is better off because of Brexit. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #19
But many perceive that they will be better off. Igel Jun 2016 #76
+1. Thanks for stating what should be obvious. KPN Jun 2016 #148
I so agree with that. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #176
Thank you for the clarification. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #20
Did you know the Labour party was Eurosceptic party kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #21
Agreed but there is Identity to consider flamingdem Jun 2016 #23
Just like here wryter2000 Jun 2016 #24
It's not just about well informed Craig234 Jun 2016 #39
The differences between being misinformed and ignorant sometimes seem subtle but nolabels Jun 2016 #147
true or maybe they really are willing treestar Jun 2016 #150
Excellent summary of key aspects of Brexit -- and future is grim ... some speculation cloudythescribbler Jun 2016 #25
Re, your #3, it would be awesome if we had an opposition party to speak of. auntpurl Jun 2016 #47
Well then, why don't you have an effective Labour Party? KPN Jun 2016 #175
Probably exactly because of the kinds of arguments you're making in your post. auntpurl Jun 2016 #178
I'm not sure I see how the left is eating its own ... KPN Jun 2016 #186
In the short term NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #50
Alas, it's hard to picture voters who are likely to vote for Trump paying SheilaT Jun 2016 #73
NeoLiberalism is promising human unity by screwing the workers everywhere equally. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #26
There are more workers then screwers but workers will never be strong enough fragmented uponit7771 Jun 2016 #51
Um yeah....fragmented working class is not a good thing Armstead Jun 2016 #77
K&R! Because I feel you auntpurl, loud and clear. apnu Jun 2016 #27
Amen frazzled Jun 2016 #28
I agree with every word you've posted. The number of sufrommich Jun 2016 #35
+1, some folk aren't as progressive as they think they are... humility is a good thing +1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #52
As I wrote earlier ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #99
SO true... that's about what surrounds the nihilist... themselves uponit7771 Jun 2016 #101
Great post. nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #140
+1 Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #216
So agree with all you said. I am tired of the angry populism too. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #278
Thank you for your explanation lovemydog Jun 2016 #29
Trump laid a big fat turd by going to Scotland and crowing about the results. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #32
Classic example of an ignoramus. SheilaT Jun 2016 #75
Amazing. auntpurl Jun 2016 #138
Just to add re point #1 TubbersUK Jun 2016 #34
A spat between two Eton schoolboys has just cost the UK 10% of its value overnight nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #57
Absolutely n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #62
could be worse. A bunch of squabbling cousins caused World War I philosslayer Jun 2016 #255
Great post at clarifying the issues. Craig234 Jun 2016 #36
This is an outstanding post! Thank you very much! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #38
wow that graphic treestar Jun 2016 #43
Excellent summary! Mandos the Judge Jun 2016 #45
Yes TubbersUK Jun 2016 #53
Cornwall voted to Leave and now wants to make sure their EU subsidies will be provided auntpurl Jun 2016 #55
That's right up there with SheilaT Jun 2016 #78
That's hilarious. Meldread Jun 2016 #81
EU should pull these first, unfortinaly these pulls wont happen for another two years uponit7771 Jun 2016 #107
Oh brother... calimary Jun 2016 #155
Yeah, no, I'm sure it's fine. auntpurl Jun 2016 #158
Let them eat Sovereignty! The_Editor Jun 2016 #183
Complete and utter morons. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #220
As you say, it is particularly sad when BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #80
Reccing with the force of a thousand atom smashers. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #46
Comprehensive, point by point exposition of this disastrous referendum result. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #48
You are absolutely right on OBrien Jun 2016 #54
Thank you whatthehey Jun 2016 #56
Great post. auntpurl Jun 2016 #145
Thank you. DetlefK Jun 2016 #58
If there's anything humans are good at, it's cutting off their nose to spite their face. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #59
Thank you! betsuni Jun 2016 #60
Beautifully done! It's sad, of course, but you've really explained this perfectly Bucky Jun 2016 #61
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2016 #63
Good OP. Thanks. yardwork Jun 2016 #64
this was my basic impression-- thanks for writing it up nicely! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #67
Thank you, auntpurl! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #70
But he EU began as a trading union TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #121
For real information about the EU, try its own BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #137
I think there's a good chance that TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #149
We do concur on that BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #153
Yes. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #170
Excellent post! herding cats Jun 2016 #74
Thanks. I am tried of seeing BREXIT hailed as a win for progressives. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #79
I know TubbersUK Jun 2016 #86
K & R n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #82
Thank you for this information. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #84
Trump is happy about the vote. That's all I need to know. n/t TonyPDX Jun 2016 #85
He's happy because he thinks the weaker pound means The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #123
+100000000 I am horrified at the pro-Brexit crowd here. Meldread Jun 2016 #87
So glad you decided not to take a break from DU after all, auntpurl - people need to be educated. Native Jun 2016 #92
There's always spin in the aftermath of an unexpected vote result - FBaggins Jun 2016 #94
Great post! Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #95
outstanding post - I may be over-generalizing here but NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #96
THE best explanation of it all that I've seen yet -- thank you! Hope you don't mind if I ancianita Jun 2016 #97
Quote away. auntpurl Jun 2016 #102
Preach it sister! stevenleser Jun 2016 #100
Good job-- opposition was entirely emotional... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #103
I have a question: The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #104
Yes, it is possible. auntpurl Jun 2016 #113
Thanks! It's good to know there might be a way out. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #122
Maybe. auntpurl Jun 2016 #128
It's vanishingly unlikely to happen, Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #133
Thank you for that clarification. auntpurl Jun 2016 #151
I think I was among the hordes that hit Google HARD in the last 48 hours! Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #154
Thank you for this thread.(eom) CanSocDem Jun 2016 #136
Damned if you do, dawned if you don't... ymetca Jun 2016 #195
simply, Parliament. Ironing Man Jun 2016 #146
The fringe or far left rarely attacks the right, instead they attack the left. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #105
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #109
That's where their bread is buttered. joshcryer Jun 2016 #230
If I'm Pro Environment now I'm right wing?? PatrynXX Jun 2016 #108
The average Leave voter has literally never heard of the TPP. auntpurl Jun 2016 #118
I believe you. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #126
I don't think anyone thinks exit will be good for the environment muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #197
Pro-environment voters supported Remaining in EU by a huge margin. yardwork Jun 2016 #242
Kick! JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #111
There is a certain DU contingent for whom charges of "neoliberalism" are the knee-jerk response... Nitram Jun 2016 #115
the OP author admits they don't know what neoliberalism means in this context nashville_brook Jun 2016 #260
Thank you for this! liberalmuse Jun 2016 #117
I just have to say ITER Energy ---------------what happens to Britain in this partership turbinetree Jun 2016 #125
Conservatives fuck up the economy and safety net with austerity and neoliberal market policies killbotfactory Jun 2016 #127
Yes, it's a real head scratcher. auntpurl Jun 2016 #130
Do you have anything in place that will nullify this since the framers of this Loki Jun 2016 #135
See the subthread above with the Credit Suisse infographic auntpurl Jun 2016 #152
Its what the fuck they do Cosmocat Jun 2016 #194
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #132
Most awesome rant ever! radical noodle Jun 2016 #134
Well said underpants Jun 2016 #139
K&R BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #141
Outstanding summary. This needs to be pushed in the mass media. DrBulldog Jun 2016 #143
Don't bring facts and math into this! nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #144
10. The people feel disconnected from wealth and knowledge. They want something to blame. Festivito Jun 2016 #156
We'll see what will come soon. auntpurl Jun 2016 #159
Wasn't the Brexit vote that exactly? KPN Jun 2016 #191
Yes. My point. auntpurl Jun 2016 #193
Ah, yes, my bad. KPN Jun 2016 #200
We don't, but should. eom Festivito Jun 2016 #207
Yup. We here in the USA are heading down the same path. KPN Jun 2016 #177
Exactly. eom Festivito Jun 2016 #208
Thanks for this. Great graphic, too - really makes it clear. nt cyberswede Jun 2016 #160
Excellent post, excellent analysis, excellent information. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #162
thank you for that excellent summary. will be handy when I have to explain this to niyad Jun 2016 #163
OUTSTANDING! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #164
Thank you for this post, auntpurl. brer cat Jun 2016 #166
Thank you Rupert Murdoch, you have almost completely Jim Beard Jun 2016 #171
K & R - because this thread deserves max visibility n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #179
We took all of our money out of the stock market. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #181
You are NOT in tune with my reality. fasttense Jun 2016 #182
Thank you! KPN Jun 2016 #189
"But not all of us disagree with the fascists!" joshcryer Jun 2016 #231
After watching the world markets drop like a rock I finally had a stiff drink and went to bed Hekate Jun 2016 #184
thank you RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #185
Great post! dsharp88 Jun 2016 #187
Big kick! mcar Jun 2016 #188
Sounds to me like just more neoliberal thinking. The stuff that has gotten us KPN Jun 2016 #196
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #199
Disagree with point three - at least some socialist thinkers on the left favored leaving hueymahl Jun 2016 #201
AUNTPURL FOR PM !!!!! GusBob Jun 2016 #203
I'm not even allowed to vote. auntpurl Jun 2016 #204
Very nice OP lillypaddle Jun 2016 #205
Absolutely spot on. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #206
You can't disappear "neoliberalism" under the label "conservative". arendt Jun 2016 #211
...ok. auntpurl Jun 2016 #212
Meaning what? Agree? Don't give a shit? What? n/t arendt Jun 2016 #213
Some can't accept the word "liberal" being associated with anything bad. They just Skeeter Barnes Jun 2016 #227
This fight was pretty much Tory-on-Tory. Corbyn was "remain". But it really was about neoliberalism. arendt Jun 2016 #221
Calling everything neoliberalism is scare mongering. joshcryer Jun 2016 #234
Neoliberal skellingtons under your bed! NuclearDem Jun 2016 #238
You must be joking. This is an ignorant, juvenille comment. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #239
mighty pretty words auntpurl saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #214
"May you live in interesting times" - Chinese curse auntpurl Jun 2016 #215
71% of "leave" voters hate the internet??? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #217
No. You have not read it clearly. You misunderstand the presentation. Read it again. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #283
Google reported that searches for "what is the EU" spiked AFTER the vote nadine_mn Jun 2016 #219
Neo-liberalism is right wing BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #224
Yes and the EU neoliberals.. sendero Jun 2016 #233
you left out: exploitation of cheap labor, and eradicate unions YOHABLO Jun 2016 #277
Ireland lakercub Jun 2016 #225
No, you are absolutely not reading too much into it. auntpurl Jun 2016 #229
A total disaster anigbrowl Jun 2016 #250
This has got to be so upsetting for you .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #232
Posts like this make me fall in love in DU rocktivity Jun 2016 #235
Aunt Purl, thanks for the most informative post! Raster Jun 2016 #236
Great rant, but you really should learn what neo-liberalism is, since it is a major cause Rex Jun 2016 #240
I would trust Auntpurl's economic opinions far more than yours... anigbrowl Jun 2016 #249
So you didn't read her OP where she says she doesn't know what it is? Rex Jun 2016 #258
The referendum is non-binding. roamer65 Jun 2016 #241
If he ignored it, his party would throw him out, and elect a leader as PM who will exit the EU muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #245
I understand the parliamentary system. roamer65 Jun 2016 #251
Then he never would have risked the referendum in the first place muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #253
Agree Totally colsohlibgal Jun 2016 #243
Excellent OP! Spazito Jun 2016 #247
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #248
Good riddance to Morgan Stanley, I wish we could get rid of them swhisper1 Jun 2016 #254
Reports are the UK is going to be offered "associate member" status in the EU. roamer65 Jun 2016 #256
Could you point me towards the reports please? n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #276
Excellent post malaise Jun 2016 #257
Thanks for the break down nt MrScorpio Jun 2016 #259
The “Black Mirror” episode that imagined David Cameron’s dalliance with a pig Chico Man Jun 2016 #263
Excellent write up of the situation. Stand and Fight Jun 2016 #264
Media coups are becoming a norm around the world. Brazil the best example. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #266
well hill2016 Jun 2016 #270
Thanks for this thread PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #274
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