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Orrex

(63,189 posts)
72. I started using that term in response to the term "gun grabbers"
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

And I will continue using it as long as that insulting term remains popular among its fans.

Full prosecution and investigation as a national law enforcement priority of prohibited persons in possession.
I support this. Also, a conviction for domestic violence should prohibit future firearm ownership by the abuser.

The mental health angle is overplayed IMO, since the mentally ill are vastly more likely to be the victims of violence than its perpetrators. But it makes for a popular soundbyte and helps deflect attention from gun owners who go from "responsible" to "murderous" with little warning.

A fraudulent 4473 should result in fines and a lifelong ban on firearm ownership by the applicant. A second fraudulent 4473 should result in larger fines and a lifelong ban on firearm ownership or use by the applicant. A third fraudulent 4473 should result in jail time at the very least, along with massive fines and lifelong bans on ownership and use of firearms. And so on.

We need a comprehensive and publicly accessible national registry of gun ownership. This is no more a violation of privacy than publicly accessible databases of homeownership, of criminal history, of licensing (e.g., insurance or brokerage) or of credit history readily accessible by lenders.

Gun ownership should require regularly renewed licensing along with specific liability insurance for any firearms used on, transported via or fired across public lands. I would even support a requirement of periodic formal inspection to ensure safety. Firearm owners should be required to provide proof of license, insurance & inspection upon reasonable demand by law enforcement, with failure to comply resulting in fines and/or confiscation of the firearm(s) in question.

Firearm owners should be held accountable for their firearms. Failure to report the theft of a firearm within 3 business days will qualify the owner as an accessory to any crimes committed with that firearm subsequent to the theft. This is not an unreasonable request, because responsible firearm owners should certainly know where all of their firearms are at all times.

I support any legislation that requires gun owners to be more fully responsible for their firearms.


This is satire, right? linuxman Jun 2016 #1
Yes, I do believe your post is RobertEarl Jun 2016 #2
Have fun with your bushco. police state fantasies. linuxman Jun 2016 #4
I would like to think so . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jun 2016 #3
I get it, you don't like gun owners. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #5
You need a dictionary RobertEarl Jun 2016 #7
Look up the Heller/McDonald SCOTUS decisions. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #10
You are in favor of mentally ill getting guns? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #12
Yes. The mentally ill are more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators of violence. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #14
Was Orlando shooter mentally ill? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #20
I have no idea. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #22
Sure, he was mentally competent RobertEarl Jun 2016 #24
San Bernadino shooters lancer78 Jun 2016 #92
You would really fit in better someplace like North Korea... pipoman Jun 2016 #29
Bwahahaha RobertEarl Jun 2016 #36
Heller is one of the worst SCOTUS decisions of the past 20 years Orrex Jun 2016 #56
That's your opinion. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #57
That is indeed my opinion, and your opinion is Scalia's opinion. Orrex Jun 2016 #61
No, that's not really an accurate statement. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #63
No, I'm not going to play that game. Orrex Jun 2016 #65
I'm not playing a game. Very rude of you to call gun rights supporters "gun enablers." Kang Colby Jun 2016 #68
I started using that term in response to the term "gun grabbers" Orrex Jun 2016 #72
What is the purpose of a publicly accessible database of firearms owners? Marengo Jun 2016 #75
To goad, intimidate, and harass law abiding gun owners. n/t Kang Colby Jun 2016 #79
That's my impression as well, I can't imagine it serves any positive purpose. Marengo Jun 2016 #80
Well, we largely agree. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #78
Well... Orrex Jun 2016 #84
Touché. See post 14. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #86
Interesting. Orrex Jun 2016 #88
About the insurance angle lancer78 Jun 2016 #93
"Also, a conviction for domestic violence should prohibit future firearm ownership by the abuser. " beevul Jun 2016 #85
Heller specifically states that the 2A permits strict regulations of guns hack89 Jun 2016 #71
Mandating government surveillance of private property touches on a few other bits... TipTok Jun 2016 #49
The bill of rights is a 'the government shall not' document, not a 'the people can' document. X_Digger Jun 2016 #6
If it doesn't grant us any rights... scscholar Jun 2016 #8
It protects rights. It doesn't grant them. LOL n/t Kang Colby Jun 2016 #11
Take a 10th grade civics class. X_Digger Jun 2016 #18
See post above RobertEarl Jun 2016 #9
Are you ok with the FBI sarisataka Jun 2016 #13
I can't mass murder with my computer RobertEarl Jun 2016 #16
Terrorists use computers sarisataka Jun 2016 #19
In order to do this, we'd have to quadruple our police force. yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #44
Then you shouldn't have any objection to letting them have a look. Marengo Jun 2016 #74
If the only requirement to make a law was 'provide for the general welfare', we'd be screwed. X_Digger Jun 2016 #21
Lessons from you are not any good RobertEarl Jun 2016 #26
Ahh.. the greater good argument... TipTok Jun 2016 #50
Apparently, that poster is unfamiliar with the term 'Lovejoying': friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #90
Ah, yes- the "saving innocents" claim. It's an old and time honored political technique: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #91
Here are the coordinates for the shooting range I go to... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #15
Good idea RobertEarl Jun 2016 #17
Good luck. And oh... its surrounded by slightly less than a billion square miles of desert. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #23
Satellites! RobertEarl Jun 2016 #27
I don't know a single person who shoots any gun "willy nilly". cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #32
Hell, I used to RobertEarl Jun 2016 #35
What would these satellites be tracking? Marengo Jun 2016 #73
What kind of behavior surveilled on those roads would trigger an investigation? Marengo Jun 2016 #76
Really? pipoman Jun 2016 #25
That's true RobertEarl Jun 2016 #28
It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. pipoman Jun 2016 #31
Heh RobertEarl Jun 2016 #33
Controllers always assume that this stuff will only apply to the folks they are afraid of... TipTok Jun 2016 #52
The "right of the people" doesn't mean individuals? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #30
The 2nd says nothing about an Individual's rights? Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #34
You'll never convince a grabber. They think our rights are derived from the courts Press Virginia Jun 2016 #38
So everybody gets a gun? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #41
"Your denial of any lines is a foolish denial." It *would* be, if such a denial had been made. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #89
The gunners will throw Constitution BS at you, to point of sounding like right wingers. Hoyt Jun 2016 #37
Yeah, that pesky constitution bs. If it weren't for that meddling document Press Virginia Jun 2016 #39
Except gunners can't read and total ignore key phrases to protect their gunz. Hoyt Jun 2016 #40
It is crazy RobertEarl Jun 2016 #42
without due process? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #45
I'm sure you believe that...commas can easily confuse some people Press Virginia Jun 2016 #43
Gunners are a good example. They'll whine about clip vs. magazine, but can't comprehend Hoyt Jun 2016 #46
Yeah, why should anyone be expected to know what they're talking about Press Virginia Jun 2016 #47
In the most simplistic form they are manufactured to let yahoos shoot people. Whether it's a clip Hoyt Jun 2016 #67
How many people did you shoot with your guns? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #69
Some folks who claim sarisataka Jun 2016 #48
I grew up when the Constitution was used to discriminate. Now it's used to enable bigots, Hoyt Jun 2016 #66
Alexander Hamilton and John Adams beat their slaves? Wow, who knew. Marengo Jun 2016 #77
That is refreshing honesty sarisataka Jun 2016 #81
It has been -- discrimination, states rights, gunz, etc. Hoyt Jun 2016 #87
Were we "right wingers" when we were throwing the Constitution at Bush, too? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #60
The 4th amendment says "right of the people" too. Is that also a collective right in your view? NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #51
KISS Cryptoad Jun 2016 #53
I have a better idea. The government should... meaculpa2011 Jun 2016 #54
The cameras would get pretty board...You need those camera in private residences. ileus Jun 2016 #55
Where is this idea coming from? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #58
I tend to think that rock Jun 2016 #59
Many ranges sarisataka Jun 2016 #82
I'm OK with exempting private clubs rock Jun 2016 #83
LOL WUT? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #62
What would that accomplish? How would it save any lives? Captain Stern Jun 2016 #64
What is this supposed to be - some kind of new idea? The US has been spying on America jmg257 Jun 2016 #70
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