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Kang Colby

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61. Simple gun possession isn't a disease.

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:50 PM

Jun 2016

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

See page ii - this study was funded by the CDC at President Obama's request. Gun control advocates have chosen to ignore it.

Google CDC gun statistics and prepare to be amazed.

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If Senate Democrats had accepted due process, we would have gun control [View all] friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 OP

Huh? jamese777 Jun 2016 #1

An amendment to include a due process requirement for 'no fly, no buy' lists... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #2

Compromise is better than nothing metroins Jun 2016 #3

What? A compromise by 2A folks was rejected? Too much due process? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #35

Too much due process? n/t meaculpa2011 Jun 2016 #66

Yep, the perfect the Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #4

its in the details. drray23 Jun 2016 #5

And now DoJ won't have any say whatsoever, beyond the already existing regulations friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #6

It was "nothing" either way... Chan790 Jun 2016 #7

For one thing, they wouldn't have looked like a bunch of hypocritical sheep... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #8

Thank you. I agree. The Republican bill was actually counterproductive and just an skylucy Jun 2016 #10

So, the proposal was less effective than the old controller "24-hour cooling off period?" Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #36

So you admit it is all just politics. former9thward Jun 2016 #42

In this case, yes...on both sides. Chan790 Jun 2016 #44

The GOP can continue to vote against reform lancer78 Jun 2016 #52

Their problem is the "squishy" middle. Chan790 Jun 2016 #58

you might be right lancer78 Jun 2016 #70

And that would have been better than the nothing we got (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #9

I don't agree - Justice Jun 2016 #46

If someone is on the no fly, no buy list, the file should be readily available aikoaiko Jun 2016 #12

No time, 3 days is like 3 minutes for the feds to gather docs and present it to a judge the uponit7771 Jun 2016 #18

Excuses former9thward Jun 2016 #40

"This would all be computerized like the current federal background check for buying firearms is." Chan790 Jun 2016 #45

Black lists create fear, awe, and doubt. All likely desired features HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #22

72 hours is plenty of time Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #15

72 hours is not enough time. Republicans have a habit of Exilednight Jun 2016 #16

Maybe you don't grasp what's going on here Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #17

you might not like the facts, bit that's reality. The reason the CBC Exilednight Jun 2016 #19

False. The CDC does collect and publish gun statistics. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #24

Either way, the CDC is toothless when it comes to guns. Exilednight Jun 2016 #25

If toothless means can't advocate for gun control.... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #33

Pretty toothless when it WAS advocating for gun control... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #37

I would find that interesting Uponthegears Jun 2016 #57

Simple gun possession isn't a disease. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #61

Turn to page 23 of your link Uponthegears Jun 2016 #63

It doesn't say that. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #64

72 hours starts the second the person on the NF list attempts to purchase a firearm.... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20

It's really 3 business days and they can easily have it done Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #23

Ah, ok... well... shit, I hate it when they make footballs out of these issues uponit7771 Jun 2016 #29

Restraining orders are issued on presumption of threat... Chan790 Jun 2016 #60

Is 72 hours enough time to show probable cause should not have gun? I don't think so. Justice Jun 2016 #47

Sure it is Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #55

I don't think either the Democrats or Republicans got it right. Chan790 Jun 2016 #59

This is what RKBA activists seem to miss. Chan790 Jun 2016 #56

So what is acceptable? lancer78 Jun 2016 #50

I believe this is the amendment in question RAFisher Jun 2016 #11

Basically, ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #13

Too many people read Kafka's The Trial and thought, wow, what a great legal system! NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #14

The burden is NOT like a bench warrant, more to prove than a LEOs word on the case uponit7771 Jun 2016 #21

They have three days to file an emergency petition. Straw Man Jun 2016 #34

Probable cause - not any evidence at all. Would they have met the burden with the Orlando shooter? Justice Jun 2016 #48

If they don't have probable cause ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #62

The idea that they have proof on file is demonstrably wrong. The bill was a fig leaf. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #26

So you advocate denial of a Constitutional right without cause or proof? Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #31

I advocate that the 3 day limit means checks will never happen. This isn't about due process. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #32

How about you get your information before you put the guy on a terror list Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #53

Three days is not enough. That is the point. it requires funding and this bill has none. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #65

How many days would be acceptable? Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #69

The FBI needs 25 days on average to determine if a gun purchaser is illegal Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #71

I despise the idea of taking away protected rights without bighart Jun 2016 #27

I already own several Semi-auto firearms. oneshooter Jun 2016 #28

It would do no good for guns already owned bighart Jun 2016 #30

Of course due process - but not a fig leaf that is meaningless. Which 72 hrs to show probable cause Justice Jun 2016 #49

The proposal is still uncomfortably close to a 5A violation, but not the... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #38

If Senate Dems accepted due process, it still would have been voted down. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #39

So if nothing works then why bother with it at all? former9thward Jun 2016 #41

Because it feels good, like the temporary assault weapon ban. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #43

Senator Manchin said this very thing would happen. Alluded to it as a set up by the GOP. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #51

SpinING it for the republicans liberal N proud Jun 2016 #54

it simply AMAZES me how these repub enablers continue to deny that the obvious Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #68

The FBI needs 25 days on average to determine if a gun purchaser is illegal Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #67