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linuxman

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117. You're right, it is different.

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:59 PM

Jun 2016

America has 21.8 million veterans, with several million being young, recently seperated ones fresh from our recent wars. We also would have to draw our armed forces from the very populace we'd be fighting. Most bases are in the conservative south as well, and that would certainly be where your anti-government types would be coming from. Combine that with the fact that the military and veterans tend to lean far to the right and many of them wouldn't blindly start killing their family and neighbors on behalf of the government, you're right. It would be nothing like Vietnam. It would make vietnam look like a ticker tape worthy blowout.

The US will never gave another civil war, but if it did it would certainly nor go how you envision it, guns being the least of the reasons why.

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What does a law abiding citizen need with an assault weapon?? [View all] Gomez163 Jun 2016 OP

NOTHING. elleng Jun 2016 #1

What is an "assault weapon"? TeddyR Jun 2016 #2

My response would be to widen the ban if you nitpick. Gonna nitpick?? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #3

I am TeddyR Jun 2016 #4

Does the right to keep and bear arms have limits? I say it does. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #8

It does! TeddyR Jun 2016 #10

I would limit it to one hand gun and one rifle. And I would chip them. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #13

Ok TeddyR Jun 2016 #21

We dont know what would have stopped today's tragedy. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #23

It's pointless to argue. They will never admit that Sanders self-serving position annavictorious Jun 2016 #39

You want to make this about Sanders? Straw Man Jun 2016 #85

How stupid. 840high Jun 2016 #129

???? WTF jack_krass Jun 2016 #159

Ye, we already have many limits in place Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #12

Today is proof the system is not working. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #14

Of course it would. Straw Man Jun 2016 #5

Do you have enough guns now? Or would you like more?? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #7

"Enough guns"? Straw Man Jun 2016 #16

I want to limit them as needed. One hand gun and one rifle per person. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #19

Real time tracking? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #22

I would. Its a dangerous object. I would want to know where it was at all times. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #25

How do you power it? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33

I would put the onus on the owner to arrange it or turn the gun over. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #40

Quite unconstitutional Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #64

I think Heller would still allow reasonable regulation. It forbid an outright ban. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #66

It's not possible. Quackers Jun 2016 #54

What do you mean by chip them? nt Quackers Jun 2016 #27

Affix a tracking device to them. It could be a small sticker if necessary. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #30

Ok gotcha. Fwiw, all firearms already have individual serial numbers on them. nt Quackers Jun 2016 #34

Which is exactly what the Orlando shooter had. Straw Man Jun 2016 #31

I would provide federal funds for that. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #32

Sure you would Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #36

Whatever is necessary. Mind you the money is to uphold the Second Amendment. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #38

Not if you follow sarisataka Jun 2016 #76

The fourth amendment would apply to persons, not what you carry Gomez163 Jun 2016 #80

Sure if you believe so Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #89

I was thinking of sarisataka Jun 2016 #95

I would gladly pay to be rid of the offending item. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #97

Perhaps you would sarisataka Jun 2016 #104

I would ransom all of my tomorrows to have those 50 people back. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #105

I can appreciate sarisataka Jun 2016 #106

The shooter had an AR 15. Im talking about a rife to kill dangerous wildlife Gomez163 Jun 2016 #35

Right -- an AR 15 is underpowered for dangerous game. Straw Man Jun 2016 #61

The AR is great for small dangerous animals Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #68

You go hunting with an AR-15 or this AR-10 Gomez163 Jun 2016 #73

They are used for feral hogs around here Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #78

Lots of people do. Straw Man Jun 2016 #81

What about someone who already owns three (or more) guns? Will they be confiscated? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #149

Buyback plan Gomez163 Jun 2016 #150

That would cost (roughly) $300 billion dollars. What do you think are the chances of such a plan Just reading posts Jun 2016 #153

Over 10 years Gomez163 Jun 2016 #155

Again, I ask: What do you think the chances are of such legislation being passed? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #156

I have 1 TeddyR Jun 2016 #17

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #130

I have several Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #20

Guns are like golf clubs, different game, different gun sports, different activities, seasonal braddy Jun 2016 #124

Posturing, and posing, and strutting around pretending to have expertise annavictorious Jun 2016 #46

I'm not "pretending" anything. Straw Man Jun 2016 #67

Anything with a detachable magazine or clip. DCBob Jun 2016 #15

Wait, so..... Adrahil Jun 2016 #131

There can be exceptions for antiques as there are now. DCBob Jun 2016 #135

I'd say that anything with a manual action would be exempt. Adrahil Jun 2016 #136

Yes, that makes total sense. DCBob Jun 2016 #140

Oh boy, another gun apologist wants to play he Gun Nomenclature Game. Hoyt Jun 2016 #127

An assault rifle is select fire (full auto or semi auto) REP Jun 2016 #133

I can't think of a single reason that a civilian should have access to military grade weapons. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #6

It was not military grade Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #24

Killed 50 and wounded 53 in a night club. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #71

In a criminals hands, anything Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #86

You are insinuating that this assault weapon... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #94

When was an AR type weapon ever marketed to murder Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #98

Just watch the "news" today. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #110

As a hunting rifle, it seems to be very popular for hunting people. Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #79

THANK YOU. nt raccoon Jun 2016 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #146

Depend on what an assault weapon is Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #9

Assault weapon is just a made up term by gun control advocates. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #11

How many do you need? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #18

As many as I want. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #42

Is this the society you want? What if that was a loved one that got shot? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #44

I would be very sad Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #49

Over the last 40 years or so...homicide rates have fallen by 50% in the U.S. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #51

I read all that you're saying in the posts above on gun-nut boards all day long Dem2 Jun 2016 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #147

I own guns Dem2 Jun 2016 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #154

Not sure what the point of that question is. Adrahil Jun 2016 #132

Need, or want? Lots of ways to justify having something. jmg257 Jun 2016 #26

You have to ask yourself is this the society you want? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #28

I'm more liable to ask what can be done to make things better. Nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #41

I would get rid of alcohol and cell phones Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #43

I also worry about a society where murdering radical extremists homophobes jmg257 Jun 2016 #65

Couldn't say. Mine are all counterassault weapons. linuxman Jun 2016 #29

Why do you need that much weaponry? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #37

Is there now a department of needs? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #45

Because the price you pay is to foster a gun culture that Gomez163 Jun 2016 #48

Still have not found the study that Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #55

How do you explain the disparity between the US and Japan and the UK?? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #62

Like I said before and you dismissed Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #70

I just dont think it tells the whole story. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #77

Gun culture does no such thing. beevul Jun 2016 #96

This person does get their facts from Twitter Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #100

Deflecting begs the question. Sanders position on guns is a fatal disqualification. annavictorious Jun 2016 #53

Sounds like the poster target shoots like me Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #47

How much do you think I have, exactly? I gave no number. linuxman Jun 2016 #60

Exactly....that's why I only buy counter-assault firearms. ileus Jun 2016 #50

No one needs one... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #52

Hence the 2013 Obama bill to limit further purchases of the latter. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #58

I really thought we had a chance... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #63

That law would have easily been defeated by changing the pistol grip for $30. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #82

They seem to work fine everywhere but here. Why is that? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #84

I dont know what you mean by "they work fine by everywhere but here" aikoaiko Jun 2016 #87

Dont see many mass shootings in the UK or Japan. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #91

True but there are probably many reasons for that including guns. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #102

Is this how you want it? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #103

I don't know if I have a choice. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #107

Basically they are relatively low-power, reliable, and durable rifles Recursion Jun 2016 #56

I'm not making judgments. Life is a balancing of interests. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #69

I'm not sure. As awful as it is to say today, mass shootings aren't what I really care about Recursion Jun 2016 #74

I always thought the whole malitia vs Govt thing Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #57

. linuxman Jun 2016 #88

What is profoundly ignorant is the idea that Vietnam acts as any kind of comparison for this. Kentonio Jun 2016 #115

You're right, it is different. linuxman Jun 2016 #117

You seem to be conveniently overlooking the fact that any oppressive domestic regime Kentonio Jun 2016 #119

I wouldn't be sure about that. linuxman Jun 2016 #120

"Americans as a whole value life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and personal wellbeing." Kentonio Jun 2016 #122

Considering 2/3 of those are suicides, the Patriot act is universally loathed, linuxman Jun 2016 #123

Oh its 'universally loathed' is it? Kentonio Jun 2016 #125

The whole purpose of the 2nd was not so the people could jmg257 Jun 2016 #92

For Tactical Tier 1 Operator status, of course Matrosov Jun 2016 #59

Depends upon where you live One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #72

To enlarge their inadequate selves and stroke with vigorous affection jpak Jun 2016 #75

The term is External Death Penis. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #101

Don't these people realize guns kill people? ileus Jun 2016 #83

Yes, and we realize that's why you and other gungeoneers are attracted to them. Hoyt Jun 2016 #90

Oh really Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #93

They buy them because they can kill with them. If that was not an interest, a BB gun would work for Hoyt Jun 2016 #99

well, this particular weapon has assaulted many.... spanone Jun 2016 #108

I'm told you can't ban them because there are so many types of them Gomez163 Jun 2016 #109

Well, simply naming a model is useless. Adrahil Jun 2016 #134

How about being able to shoot 20 rounds real fast? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #137

That gets to the heart of the matter.... semi-automatic capability. Adrahil Jun 2016 #139

Most of the mass shootings involve recent purchases Gomez163 Jun 2016 #142

That is true. Good luck. Adrahil Jun 2016 #145

My understanding Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #112

Nobody needs one. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #111

Not to pick a fight, but you asked... JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #113

Even in most countries with bans there are still exceptions made for farmers. Kentonio Jun 2016 #116

They'll play semantic games with this one like they usually do uponit7771 Jun 2016 #114

To kill people still_one Jun 2016 #126

They are fucking toys/collectables Cosmocat Jun 2016 #128

That's true to some extent. Adrahil Jun 2016 #138

Its the most dishonest conversation this country has Cosmocat Jun 2016 #157

All rights are a balancing act. Adrahil Jun 2016 #160

You can't walk into a school room Cosmocat Jun 2016 #161

Now, we just kill them over time with second hand smoke. Adrahil Jun 2016 #162

The conditioning is rather disturbing, they rush out to be more guns when ever the RWing media Rex Jun 2016 #143

My family and extended family mostly consists of game hunters. Rex Jun 2016 #141

low self esteem, bad aim, deep insecurities IronLionZion Jun 2016 #144

Everyone watch the news tomorrow Calista241 Jun 2016 #151

if you're a gun humping piece of shit coward, you think you need one Skittles Jun 2016 #152

^^That Orrex Jun 2016 #158