Perhaps a part of the problem is the inability (Reply #75)

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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:41 PM

75. Perhaps a part of the problem is the inability

to discuss the gun culture in the US rationally. The absolute hysteria that greets ANY attempt at discussion of what can be done to try and do something reasonable about the epidemic of mass shootings. Someone says 'gun control' and immediately we are swamped with 'OMG thay want to take our guns away' or 'it won't work' or 'only good people with guns can stop bad people with guns' or 'if they don't have guns they will use [insert other weapon here]'.

Can't we have an intelligent, rational discussion? Can't we come up with suggestions about how to reduce this kind of violence without dissolving into name calling? If not, how are we any different from any other closed-minded group of folks?

I really don't have any answers, just questions.

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229 replies	Author	Time	Post
IT'S. THE. GUNS. [View all]	TygrBright	Jun 2016	OP
K and effing R	Gomez163	Jun 2016	#1
Kick	mcar	Jun 2016	#2
NO. IT'S. NOT.	Kang Colby	Jun 2016	#3
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#5
You joined this board today...	tallahasseedem	Jun 2016	#11
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#14
And do you need an assault weapon? Does anyone need an assault weapon?	nolabear	Jun 2016	#19
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#39
Hi, I've a question for you. Did DU get linked to again at ar15? Thanks in advance for answering.	uppityperson	Jun 2016	#43
Okay, let me clarify. A weapon that fires multiple shots in a short period of time w/o reloading.	nolabear	Jun 2016	#45
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#48
You're not safe.	Darb	Jun 2016	#24
There was a cop at the site who had a gun, He could not stop the madman with an assault rifle.	Fla Dem	Jun 2016	#80
Go kiss your guns	lunatica	Jun 2016	#21
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#25
Stupid is stupid	lunatica	Jun 2016	#26
On the subject of "stupidity:"	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#67
So, by your reasoning, we should remove all laws against killing.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jun 2016	#31
Thats your reasoning, not his.	beevul	Jun 2016	#41
Utter Bullshit.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jun 2016	#58
Yes, utter bullshit describes your response aptly.	beevul	Jun 2016	#66
So you joined today so that you could tell us all	mr blur	Jun 2016	#46
There was an armed officer working at Pulse, according to news reports.	CBHagman	Jun 2016	#49
Some club-goers said if it were not for the return fire, it could have been worse.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#70
It is the availability of guns, the easy access to guns.	ciaobaby	Jun 2016	#6
This freak had passed a Fed NICS check to carry as a security guard..	Nancyswidower	Jun 2016	#10
This isn't that incredibly goddamned stupid "good guy with a gun" bullshit, is it?	Spider Jerusalem	Jun 2016	#13
Except...	Kang Colby	Jun 2016	#23
Armed off duty officer at entrance	metroins	Jun 2016	#30
Not many, and unarmed old people have stopped some too -- like Lougher. We don't need cowboys	Hoyt	Jun 2016	#37
The times armed civilians have ever stopped a shooter	SheilaT	Jun 2016	#123
How many 'good guys' with gun have stopped a mass shooter?	-none	Jun 2016	#169
No. They haven't. Not enough to justify all the guns.	AllyCat	Jun 2016	#147
Incredibly obtuse post.	Darb	Jun 2016	#18
Oh, yes it is.	liberalnarb	Jun 2016	#57
Not sure what this has to do with the easy availability of assault-style weapons with massive magazi	Dem2	Jun 2016	#112
Are you being purposefully obtuse?	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#135
Automatic weapons are already illegal	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#201
AR-15s are semi-automatic.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#215
Correct that AR-15s are semi-auto	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#217
Do you consider $500 easy?	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#219
I don't	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#220
No it's not.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#221
Agree with your first point	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#222
Banning all guns is not my end goal.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#224
I agree that a firearm ban won't happen	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#225
Frankly, I have no problem with that.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#227
This is demonstrably false. A right-wing talking point.	SpankMe	Jun 2016	#149
What totally asshatery.	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#151
^^^ Exactly ^^^	Albertoo	Jun 2016	#158
There's been 2 mass massacares on military bases	lark	Jun 2016	#206
No. Most personnel are prohibited from carrying on base.	Kang Colby	Jun 2016	#208
It's the knives	BlueNoMatterWho	Jun 2016	#4
And how many times has that happened in the last decade?	trumad	Jun 2016	#15
It happens in China repeatedly. At least I remember hearing the news of such atrocities.	BlueNoMatterWho	Jun 2016	#20
Seriously!!!	Sophiegirl	Jun 2016	#61
Seriously.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#73
The poster's point was, in an environment without guns	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2016	#160
When a crazed single person kills 50 people in a single incident with a knife	packman	Jun 2016	#187
10 men armed with long knives	passiveporcupine	Jun 2016	#92
This is an argument gun-nuts use all day	Dem2	Jun 2016	#114
Ten attackers kill 29-- so 3 victims per attacker	lostnfound	Jun 2016	#128
Don't be purposefully obtuse.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#136
An organized group of multiple people	Promethean	Jun 2016	#157
If the ten men had had guns	snort	Jun 2016	#159
Ten men with knives, but the Orlando assailant was one man with two guns.	CBHagman	Jun 2016	#173
The NRA can go to hell!!!	Lint Head	Jun 2016	#7
Guns aren't banned anywhere	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#32
Why are you using NRA/GOP talking points?	Lint Head	Jun 2016	#110
What "NRA/GOP talking point" did I use?	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#127
You pointed out this.	Lint Head	Jun 2016	#142
Is that the banks robbing us, or people robbing the banks?	RoccoR5955	Jun 2016	#174
Gun-nut argument	Dem2	Jun 2016	#117
So how many people die each day in France from guns?	SheilaT	Jun 2016	#124
wrong. SOME guns ARE BANNED.	uncle ray	Jun 2016	#125
No	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#126
Didn't work that night.	New Orleans Strong	Jun 2016	#133
The NRA is a lobbying group for gun manufacturers. It does not protect 2nd amendment rights.	Lint Head	Jun 2016	#205
Besides rantng and whining online, what are you actually doing about it?	DonP	Jun 2016	#228
+1000	sarae	Jun 2016	#181
The guns AND the magazines...	tallahasseedem	Jun 2016	#8
3 as a limit	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#17
That's not a federal limit.	Calista241	Jun 2016	#28
Why limit it to just three?	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#38
Is that why the NY 7 round limit	Duckhunter935	Jun 2016	#50
I don't know	RobertEarl	Jun 2016	#53
It was a arbitrary number	Duckhunter935	Jun 2016	#64
How about no more magazines?	passiveporcupine	Jun 2016	#99
In the past, the 6 bullet revolver made mass murders more difficult	Jim Beard	Jun 2016	#153
I don't know if that will ultimately survive legal challenge	Calista241	Jun 2016	#51
Shotguns can hold more than 3 rounds legally. But state laws limit to 3...	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#74
That's bull shit.	ag_dude	Jun 2016	#111
Shotguns are illegal if they can hold more than three shells"<< nope, you just cant have more than 3	AntiBank	Jun 2016	#154
we dont even have to ban them	rdking647	Jun 2016	#179
This message was self-deleted by its author	GreydeeThos	Jun 2016	#9
Huge K&R!	lunamagica	Jun 2016	#12
Secession	One_Life_To_Give	Jun 2016	#16
Except 50% of people	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#33
It's actually 90% of Americans who want reasonable gun control laws (n/t)	PJMcK	Jun 2016	#184
I agree	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#188
The polarized position of guns rights supporters is part of the problem	PJMcK	Jun 2016	#190
From what I've read	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#202
90% of Americans support some form of gun control	PJMcK	Jun 2016	#203
Yep, agreed	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#204
And. The. Trolls.	nolabear	Jun 2016	#22
Today many of them are signing up as fast as they can	lunatica	Jun 2016	#29
Oh, I don't know, nola. We DU vets are right here. United.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#79
+1	tallahasseedem	Jun 2016	#86
Thanks.	nolabear	Jun 2016	#131
DU vet? Meaning what? Nt	Logical	Jun 2016	#146
That I and others have been here in DU a long time.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#212
All the usual roaches are skittering out from the dark places. They will do the same thing they	Squinch	Jun 2016	#83
Funny, I clobbered 2 Forrestal-class roaches last night, but neither was armed.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#91
Who are these "roaches" you speak of? How about some names?	Marengo	Jun 2016	#166
because they're cowards	Nevernose	Jun 2016	#97
They do it on reddit too	Dem2	Jun 2016	#115
This message was self-deleted by its author	NightWatcher	Jun 2016	#27
Bullshit. No evidence that it was ISIL and what's the point?	lostnfound	Jun 2016	#129
Are you genuinely that ignorant?	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#137
How many bomb stores in this country, vs gun stores?	-none	Jun 2016	#171
ITS THE HATE	Amishman	Jun 2016	#34
I don't totally disagree	reign88	Jun 2016	#98
Leave "mental illness" out of this:	truebluegreen	Jun 2016	#144
agreed. nt	TheFrenchRazor	Jun 2016	#161
No, it is not the guns.	beevul	Jun 2016	#35
Americans killed by gun violence from 2005 to 2015 = 301,797	Hekate	Jun 2016	#71
And at the end of each and every one of those years...	beevul	Jun 2016	#85
Oh, so it's okay?	alarimer	Jun 2016	#168
Keep your filthy words and sentiments in your own mouth and out of mine, thanks.	beevul	Jun 2016	#200
the number of assault weapons is fairly low	passiveporcupine	Jun 2016	#101
I own guns	Dem2	Jun 2016	#116
It's the guns.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#138
And that "tiny" percentage have children. And parents. And friends.	AllyCat	Jun 2016	#148
IT'S. THE. GUNS. Yes, it is.	Hekate	Jun 2016	#36
There is no need for any individual to own an assault weapon.	TNNurse	Jun 2016	#107
What is special about "assault weapons" that they need more restrictions than other guns?	ManiacJoe	Jun 2016	#164
Perhaps the word "assault" should explain it enough, but apparently not.	TNNurse	Jun 2016	#165
You have been purposely deceived.	ManiacJoe	Jun 2016	#211
They can accept large-capacity magazines (30 rounds) that aren't readily available for most other	Francis Booth	Jun 2016	#198
Wrong on both parts.	ManiacJoe	Jun 2016	#210
YES! YES! YES! I absolutely agree!	scarletwoman	Jun 2016	#40
Yes n/t	TubbersUK	Jun 2016	#42
Not any single problem and you can't solve it by solving only one.	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2016	#44
And the hate	IronLionZion	Jun 2016	#47
Both. Religion and guns.	rockfordfile	Jun 2016	#93
So, so true. But its just so much easier to blame, and rage against an object. nt	jack_krass	Jun 2016	#152
It's insane and horrifying to know that any asshole can kill 50+ people	ecstatic	Jun 2016	#52
Is the NRA	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#63
IT'S. THE. HATRED!!!	ellennelle	Jun 2016	#54
Blame the guns. Because it's not acceptable to blame one religion.	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jun 2016	#55
sadly, you are correct ! nt	Angel Martin	Jun 2016	#72
Especially since the basic perp in US mass killings is a white male of Christian heritage...	Hekate	Jun 2016	#88
Thank you	mainstreetonce	Jun 2016	#56
OF COURSE! And to all reading, please don't engage the gun apologists in this thread. It	Squinch	Jun 2016	#59
I agree	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#65
Yes! Prohibition orthodoxy MUST be maintained. It has worked so well in the past.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#77
Yes it is, Bright.	brer cat	Jun 2016	#60
Dear MIRT	SwankyXomb	Jun 2016	#62
So you don't like dissent	TeddyR	Jun 2016	#68
Orthodoxy, doctrine and ideology MUST be maintained.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#84
K & R	bench scientist	Jun 2016	#69
Perhaps a part of the problem is the inability	Stonepounder	Jun 2016	#75
There is an oldie-goldie post in the GCRKBA group which lists aspersions toward gun owners.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#87
when you are ready to accept the civil war that would result from a repeal of the 2nd amendment	AntiBank	Jun 2016	#76
My opinion ; All guns people own should be kept locked at their local armory . They should need a	geretogo	Jun 2016	#78
Do you desire s total ban on death tools?	aikoaiko	Jun 2016	#81
YES	Kimberly1990219	Jun 2016	#82
Yes. n/t	BlancheSplanchnik	Jun 2016	#89
We are now LESS FREE because of guns. If you think that you need a firearm to protect	vkkv	Jun 2016	#90
I don't like this argument	reign88	Jun 2016	#94
Its a rational argument seeing in the 20th century guns aren't an equalizer. Everyone and their ...	uponit7771	Jun 2016	#109
History - exactly that. Things have changed far too much for the U.S. gov't / military to	vkkv	Jun 2016	#143
Many misconceptions, here. Those not following the commandant to avert eyes, please....	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#95
History - exactly that. Things have changed far too much for the U.S. gov't / military to	vkkv	Jun 2016	#132
The countries I cited did indeed overcome far-better armed governments....	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#209
NO, the kind of examples being offered will never happen here. Vietnam? Cuba? That's your argument?	vkkv	Jun 2016	#213
Again, your theories of why Americans won't revolt are interesting and I may agree with some...	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#216
I stand by my OP - If one thinks that they need firearms to fight a tyrannical U.S. gub'mnt	vkkv	Jun 2016	#218
Then Hubert H. Humphrey "fits" your notions about "gub'mnt" tyranny.	Eleanors38	Jun 2016	#229
How many people do you think you are reaching	jmg257	Jun 2016	#106
Thank you so much	Laha	Jun 2016	#96
THANK YOU.	calimary	Jun 2016	#100
absolutely - and crazy knows no geographic boundaries	wyldwolf	Jun 2016	#102
No hate is number one cause, Not just up there in the top ten	Nobel_Twaddle_III	Jun 2016	#103
yep. nt	TheFrenchRazor	Jun 2016	#162
Assault rifles are unnecessary and should be outlawed. Period.	jalan48	Jun 2016	#104
How would you do that?	Indydem	Jun 2016	#120
It will happen. Events like this will make it so. Sorry.	jalan48	Jun 2016	#121
SCOTUS is not a problem.	MisterFred	Jun 2016	#139
K & R	Scurrilous	Jun 2016	#105
Radical religious extreme homophobes murders	jmg257	Jun 2016	#108
Don't delude yourself in thinking that anything will be done about it	RoccoR5955	Jun 2016	#113
Anybody who tells u that devices that make it easy to slaughter dozens of people aren't part of the	Dem2	Jun 2016	#118
American culture has been conditioned from cradle to grave	WHEN CRABS ROAR	Jun 2016	#119
Yes. The excuse for using them is irrelevant	jberryhill	Jun 2016	#122
It is guns and it is radical islam	MariaThinks	Jun 2016	#130
You are correct.	fleabiscuit	Jun 2016	#134
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#140
Republicans won't see this as a problem as long as the victims are voting for Democrats.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2016	#141
Wm. Faulkner on Hope vs Hate ..	DemoTex	Jun 2016	#145
NO ITS NOT THE GUNS, ITS THE PEOPLE	jack_krass	Jun 2016	#150
makes sense to me. nt	TheFrenchRazor	Jun 2016	#163
Probably one in the same. eom	fleabiscuit	Jun 2016	#176
Try killing 49 people with a freakin stick!	RoccoR5955	Jun 2016	#175
EXACTLY	gopiscrap	Jun 2016	#155
If America has such a problem	lancer78	Jun 2016	#156
Please don't post discredited Right-Wing sources.	sarae	Jun 2016	#180
Thank you fit this post	mainstreetonce	Jun 2016	#167
How many "good guys with guns" does it take?	HockeyMom	Jun 2016	#170
It's the Humans	nolabels	Jun 2016	#172
Forget that, I want my 2nd amendment right to bear arms.	RoccoR5955	Jun 2016	#177
Imagine, we as humans might even be doing one better with our own stupidity	nolabels	Jun 2016	#191
step 1	rdking647	Jun 2016	#178
So I'd have to pay a $200 tax on each of the normal capacity magazines I own?	Just reading posts	Jun 2016	#182
who needs 100 15 round magazines?	rdking647	Jun 2016	#189
I need them to kill deer during hunting season.	RoccoR5955	Jun 2016	#193
Most of them are 30 round magazines. I have at about 20 magazines for each of my rifles.	Just reading posts	Jun 2016	#223
Of course it is the guns but it's more	PJMcK	Jun 2016	#183
A gun that won’t work if they steal one.	fleabiscuit	Jun 2016	#185
Anyone defending their own gun fetish after a horror like this is disgusting.	hunter	Jun 2016	#186
Forget those puny AR-15s	RoccoR5955	Jun 2016	#194
Nope. It's the religious radicalization.	Jester Messiah	Jun 2016	#192
k and r +infinity	niyad	Jun 2016	#195
washington post article about convergence of terrorism and mass shootings	niyad	Jun 2016	#196
like abortion, guns are a right	Elmergantry	Jun 2016	#197
K&R	Night Watchman	Jun 2016	#199
This will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I think it's spot on.	CrispyQ	Jun 2016	#207
IT'S. THE. POLITICIANS.	kentuck	Jun 2016	#214
Of course it's the guns.	moondust	Jun 2016	#226

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