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NNadir

(33,515 posts)
127. Your evidence that you were "poisoned by pesticides" is what?
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

Are you a pathologist, a toxicologist, or an epidemiologist?

My son was born with a potentially catastrophic birth defect that had obvious cosmetic manifestations. Happily the only manifestation was just that, cosmetic, but it could have been much worse. (My son is now 21 and has just been admitted as a transfer student to a fairly prestigious school associated with his career choice.)

When he was an infant and a toddler, often people - rude people - would approach my wife and I in public settings to ask "What's that?" or "What caused that?" or "What did you do to cause that?"

Even ruder people would offer us their own speculations about what "caused that." These people, of course, were the most rude. In general my impression was that the that the people offering these unsolicited speculations were clearly the most ignorant and the least likely to have any kind of scientific knowledge. The less science they knew, the louder their mouths.

To avoid my son making negative associations with his appearance, we bit our tongues and answered, correctly, but politely and firmly, this answer, "we don't know."

As it happens, the cause of my son's condition was discovered, and published in 2013 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

It involved a clearly random genetic (somatic) event, and I'm quite sure now that all the people shooting off their mouths on subjects they know nothing about - "what caused that?" - were clueless.

From your tenor here, I'm sure you have no idea about what caused whatever symptoms you may have, but are merely speculating wildly. While I regret it if you are ill, I assure you that your loud assertions of this type will surely impact other human beings in a way that is decidedly not positive. As far as I'm concerned, you are doing monstrous harm to other people.

Despite the effects of your pernicious rhetoric, I certainly hope you will recover from whatever ails you and that you will have a pleasant week.

Increased risk of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder associated with exposure to pesticide womanofthehills May 2016 #1
That pubmed link does not work. momto3 May 2016 #18
Link: hunter May 2016 #23
Thank you. momto3 May 2016 #32
Here is a good link, showing Trump's obvious willingness to support ANY anti-environmental issue: Jeffersons Ghost Jun 2016 #176
Sorry - here is correct link & another link from Journal of American Med Ass. womanofthehills May 2016 #24
Back in the 70's they used something called the Feingold Diet Marrah_G May 2016 #48
I guess the fact that glyphosate isn't an organophosphate pesticide is completely irrelevant to you Major Nikon May 2016 #59
Glyphosate is a member of the organophosphate family womanofthehills May 2016 #69
Even your own source disagrees with you Major Nikon May 2016 #70
However, many of the "inert" ingredients make pesticides behave in different ways womanofthehills May 2016 #74
Does this mean you are acknowledging that glyphosate isn't an organophosphate pesticide? Major Nikon May 2016 #77
It is an organophosphorus compound, specifically a phosphonate. Loudestlib May 2016 #82
It is NOT a organophosphate ester, which is what was being alleged Major Nikon May 2016 #83
But in many ways it acts like an organophosphate pesticide womanofthehills May 2016 #84
You could say the same about DNA Major Nikon May 2016 #86
Can you link the paper showing that esterification doesn't happen in vivo or the environment? Loudestlib May 2016 #115
You seriously expect me to disprove something that was never proven to begin with? Major Nikon May 2016 #134
it's your claim so......Yes. Loudestlib May 2016 #139
No, that wasn't my claim Major Nikon May 2016 #145
Do you know Roundup is only 40% glyphosate womanofthehills May 2016 #138
Did you know vaccines in Kenya have been laced with sterility compounds by the WHO and UNICEF? Major Nikon May 2016 #141
OK. WHO DO I SUE??? Gomez163 May 2016 #151
K&R... spanone May 2016 #2
Next thing you know, Monsanto will be suing 93% of Americans Scientific May 2016 #3
Don't give them any ideas. Enthusiast May 2016 #7
Seriously PatSeg May 2016 #15
They will in a way. Via more massive tax breaks. nt valerief May 2016 #22
Your user name is rather ironic, since you believe in ludicrous fictions. HuckleB May 2016 #143
Are you attacking the results of the study cited in the OP? Scientific May 2016 #147
It's not a study. There is no peer review. HuckleB May 2016 #149
No one ever said it was a study - individuals paid to get their urine tested for glyphosate womanofthehills May 2016 #158
Your friend did above. HuckleB May 2016 #160
K & F'ing ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #4
OMG! Your Prince gif is amazing! MelissaB May 2016 #5
I love it too but I can't take credit for it, that goes to Unknown. You're welcome to save/use it :) ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #6
Been admiring it for a while too. Great image of Prince, what a creative artist and appalachiablue May 2016 #11
Too young, indeed. Prince was part of the soundtrack of my life and it's not very often I go beyond ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #21
Last year I followed Prince's Peace Concert in Balto. that he set up to honor appalachiablue Jun 2016 #166
yet so many scientists and farmers swear that it is safe.... or have no problem with this Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #8
World’s Number 1 Herbicide Discovered in U.S. Mothers’ Breast Milk womanofthehills May 2016 #9
Woo Major Nikon Jun 2016 #173
No wonder TRump is doing so well in polls nt LiberalEsto May 2016 #10
K & R. Monsatan. When will this end. appalachiablue May 2016 #12
Their lobby is like the NRA and perhaps just as deadly in the long run EndElectoral May 2016 #13
And they have paid trolls PatSeg May 2016 #16
+ 1 Scientific May 2016 #28
Yep PatSeg May 2016 #30
I paid for the test and never sent it in. I'm in kidney failure and this crap can cause that. bkkyosemite May 2016 #14
One womens fight against Glyphosate in Argentina - baby died kidney failure womanofthehills May 2016 #25
A guide to detecting bogus scientific journals Major Nikon May 2016 #136
Capitalism Trumps Life libodem May 2016 #17
I read the studies. Much more data is needed before anyone should be worried. In particular... stevenleser May 2016 #19
+1 n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2016 #20
Not all pesticide is excreted - it's also in bone and fat and can be for yrs womanofthehills May 2016 #26
An important point - lots of corporate poisons stay embedded in human tissue Scientific May 2016 #31
No question. But it's still incumbent on those raising the alarm to state what acceptable stevenleser May 2016 #46
No. It is NOT incumbent on the citizens to prove that Monsanto products are safe. bvar22 May 2016 #47
Glyphosphate is water soluble, not fat soluble. LeftyMom May 2016 #53
you are so so so wrong about Malathion - look up side effects of organophosphate pesticides womanofthehills May 2016 #60
"Journal of Pesticide Reform" Major Nikon May 2016 #65
Actually our neighborhood was sprayed 4 days in a row with 4 yr old Malathion womanofthehills May 2016 #140
No doubt "toxic tort lawyers" have killed thousands Major Nikon May 2016 #144
What did your readings tell you about ENDOCRINE DISRUPTION? Octafish May 2016 #27
Thank you PatSeg May 2016 #29
Amazing alacrity when it comes to defending the indefensible. Octafish May 2016 #37
Glyphosate is also linked with protecting your body from cancer Major Nikon May 2016 #89
Glyphosate has been linked with BREAST CANCER Octafish May 2016 #93
Reposting something again makes it just that much better Major Nikon May 2016 #96
You sound like an authority, a major! Octafish May 2016 #98
You forgot to post yours the first time around also, no? Major Nikon May 2016 #100
That's why the links, time waster. Octafish May 2016 #102
Nah, just consistently against nutty bullshit Major Nikon May 2016 #104
What a douche! Octafish May 2016 #106
Not ever defending Bush is the opposite of defending Bush, namecaller. Major Nikon May 2016 #109
When do I promote the douche? Octafish May 2016 #114
No problem Major Nikon May 2016 #118
Like you said, you haven't proven that I parrot anybody. Octafish May 2016 #119
... Major Nikon May 2016 #131
China - cancer rates exploding womanofthehills May 2016 #125
The decline in the pirate population is linked to global warming Major Nikon May 2016 #130
endrocrine disruptor pesticides womanofthehills May 2016 #33
Europe is spending $126 billion per year in healthcare costs due to endocrine disruptors? Octafish May 2016 #39
Exposure to Pesticides Increases Risk of Endometriosis womanofthehills May 2016 #35
Most Americans have no clue. Octafish May 2016 #40
Seralini Major Nikon May 2016 #66
Character Assassin? Octafish May 2016 #94
You'd think you'd be used to being so easily debunked by now Major Nikon May 2016 #97
Not by you. And why do you care, Major Nikon? Octafish May 2016 #101
You protect Lyndon Larouche Major Nikon May 2016 #103
Nice smear. Octafish May 2016 #107
So pointing out you parrot out LaRouche is a smear, but pretending I defend Bush isn't Major Nikon May 2016 #110
Smear artist. Octafish May 2016 #120
... Major Nikon May 2016 #132
Good luck educating this anti-science crowd. alarimer May 2016 #34
Especially with all the apologists and shills protecting Industry online. Octafish May 2016 #36
You want a news blackout on toxins in our food and bodies? Scientific May 2016 #49
No, that is a straw man. That person wants responsible reporting. stevenleser May 2016 #50
Exactly...the dose is the poison...period skepticscott May 2016 #95
“There is just no acceptable level of any chemical to ingest, ever” Major Nikon May 2016 #99
Toxic Sludge Is Good For You Octafish May 2016 #108
QED in spades skepticscott May 2016 #112
Toxic Sludge Is Good For You is about PR Octafish May 2016 #113
QED nt skepticscott May 2016 #111
When you have nothing ,you always put down the Food Babe womanofthehills May 2016 #124
Food Babe is a fucking idiot. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #137
However, the levels of glyphosate on soy are now "extreme" & I would worry womanofthehills May 2016 #45
Shit source referencing shit researchers like Seralini and pretending it's not shit evidence Major Nikon May 2016 #85
"Extreme" what? "Extreme" is not a medical or scientific measurement. stevenleser May 2016 #152
Extreme means way over the US allowable limits for glyphosate in food womanofthehills May 2016 #159
Complete nonsense Major Nikon Jun 2016 #165
I'm not talking about measuring before application - here is the EPA chart womanofthehills Jun 2016 #167
You just repeated the exact same thing I gave you Major Nikon Jun 2016 #170
Link to that pronouncement by any government agency please. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #175
+1, n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #51
size doesn't always matter, unless you're trump maybe lakeguy May 2016 #90
Quantity of a toxin always matters. Disregarding that paints you as not serious. stevenleser May 2016 #92
Even more scary than the glyphosate - the inert secret ingredients womanofthehills May 2016 #38
Seralini Major Nikon May 2016 #88
ONLY ONE MORE DAY TO COMMENT TO EPA - on Monsanto's Dicamba womanofthehills May 2016 #41
Warning to farmers - you may have nowhere to sell Dicamba tolerant soybeans womanofthehills May 2016 #42
National Geographic - photos - living near GMO soybean fields womanofthehills May 2016 #43
I am sure that's 93% of the 99%. nt thereismore May 2016 #44
There is no "UC Cal" LeftyMom May 2016 #52
Sorry - it's UC San Francisco - I was shortening it in my mind womanofthehills May 2016 #54
The public sent in their urine samples and you can too!! womanofthehills May 2016 #56
Thanks for the info Person 2713 May 2016 #162
Taiwan recalls Quaker Oats imported from US - glyphosate levels too high womanofthehills May 2016 #55
Food brands to avoid womanofthehills May 2016 #80
Very telling when someone has to cite anti-vax sources Major Nikon May 2016 #87
German Medical Assembly says glyphosate should not be re-authorized JohnyCanuck May 2016 #57
As a scientist, I find this "alarming" post to border on absurd. NNadir May 2016 #58
There you go injecting facts and reality into the conversation Major Nikon May 2016 #62
As a women poisoned by pesticides, I find your post alarming womanofthehills May 2016 #63
Your evidence that you were "poisoned by pesticides" is what? NNadir May 2016 #127
My allergy doctor made the diagnosis & I was given disability at the time & settled a lawsuit womanofthehills May 2016 #142
Oh, I see. Your lawyer gave you your scientific training. NNadir May 2016 #146
I promise you, you were not poisoned by pesticides. cleanhippie May 2016 #129
You're discounting the effect of electromagnetic hypersensitivity and gov sponsored mind control Major Nikon May 2016 #154
Oh, right! I always forget that! cleanhippie May 2016 #156
38 countries do not feel the same as you - i guess they despise science! womanofthehills May 2016 #64
Political organizations often respond to ignorance. This is well known in history and often... NNadir May 2016 #116
Average level was 3 parts per BILLION Major Nikon May 2016 #61
Glyphosate degrades soil microbial life JohnyCanuck May 2016 #67
Seralini Rule Major Nikon May 2016 #68
Actually, the WHO and many scientists are taking a new look at the Seralini study womanofthehills May 2016 #71
According to Seralini himself! Major Nikon May 2016 #72
Not www.sciencedirect.com again! womanofthehills May 2016 #75
Let me see if I have this straight Major Nikon May 2016 #78
See video of interview with John Kempf JohnyCanuck May 2016 #79
See 25:22 in the video you posted, produced by Putin's mouthpiece, RT Major Nikon May 2016 #81
I have been following your posts on building up the soil womanofthehills May 2016 #76
Not banned for the same reason ALL other countries banned Lead and US did not. Silver_Witch May 2016 #73
And the chemical industry wins another round mdbl May 2016 #91
EPA USED MONSANTO’S RESEARCH TO GIVE ROUNDUP A PASS Octafish May 2016 #105
They are spraying our wheat with roundup J_J_ May 2016 #117
No more sandwiches - Organic is getting contamined with glyphosate womanofthehills May 2016 #150
This is the 3rd anti-vax nutbag site you've sourced in this thread alone Major Nikon May 2016 #155
Actually, the post was for people who are interested in glyphosate free organic wheat womanofthehills May 2016 #161
Actually, the post was for those who prefer to get their information from this side of crazyland Major Nikon May 2016 #164
My organic bread comes from Wisc . I will have to check the source now. Hopefully Person 2713 May 2016 #163
Alarmist, pseudoscientific woo bullshit. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #121
Thanks for the scientific information. jomin41 May 2016 #123
I'm certainly not antiscience FlaGranny May 2016 #128
"Why expose our bodies to toxins at any level if it can be avoided?" Major Nikon May 2016 #135
Yes, I agree, FlaGranny Jun 2016 #169
There's all sorts of very good reasons why we should purposely add more of them Major Nikon Jun 2016 #171
Food should be food - FlaGranny Jun 2016 #174
The OP is anti-science Bonx May 2016 #148
If all Democrats shared the passion that some here do in arguing about NoMoreRepugs May 2016 #122
Monsanto is not the only company that makes glyphosate now Botany May 2016 #126
Every company that makes glyphosate has a different formula womanofthehills Jun 2016 #168
Why Cliven Bundy Isn’t WRONG Major Nikon Jun 2016 #172
Wonder why the regional difference ...guess I will have to read the link later ..... Person 2713 May 2016 #133
Give Monsanto the corporate death penalty before they kill you! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #153
Do you still think that air pollution causes AIDS? Belief in nonsense leads to belief in more... Humanist_Activist May 2016 #157
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