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In reply to the discussion: Organic Pesticides. Yes, They Do Exist, And Are Used. [View all]yellowcanine
(35,666 posts)19. All I can tell you is that there are many warnings about Neem and pregnancy
http://gerd.emedtv.com/neem/neem-and-pregnancy.html http://www.discoverneem.com/neem-safety-and-side-effects.html
As I understand it, the problem isn't neem-sprayed vegetables for the consumer, it is the Ag worker applying neem to the vegetables.
As to nicotine and rotenone - my point was regarding the safety of what is "natural" vs. "chemical." Gigantic misunderstanding out there.
Also Rotenone, while not used in the U.S. in agriculture (because of EPA labeling), can be and still is used in other countries while meeting organic certification standards for produce imported into the U.S. In other words, it is okay to jeopardize the health of Ag workers and the environment in other countries, but you can't do it in the U.S. Just one more example of why "certified organic" is not necessarily the same as "sustainable."
As I understand it, the problem isn't neem-sprayed vegetables for the consumer, it is the Ag worker applying neem to the vegetables.
As to nicotine and rotenone - my point was regarding the safety of what is "natural" vs. "chemical." Gigantic misunderstanding out there.
Also Rotenone, while not used in the U.S. in agriculture (because of EPA labeling), can be and still is used in other countries while meeting organic certification standards for produce imported into the U.S. In other words, it is okay to jeopardize the health of Ag workers and the environment in other countries, but you can't do it in the U.S. Just one more example of why "certified organic" is not necessarily the same as "sustainable."
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That argument, of course, points out the reality that "organic" is just a marketing term.
HuckleB
Apr 2016
#2
Also conventional produce gets exported and magically imported back as "organic."
yellowcanine
Apr 2016
#4
All I can tell you is that there are many warnings about Neem and pregnancy
yellowcanine
Apr 2016
#19
The persistence of synthetic pesticides is correct. The flip side of that is that organic
yellowcanine
Apr 2016
#21
There is also the issue of fuel use and pollution for each added application of organic products.
HuckleB
Apr 2016
#24
All good and well, the LD50 is still not better than for things like glyphosate or Imidacloprid.
HuckleB
Apr 2016
#12