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rhett o rick

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110. It's your subjective opinion that caucuses are undemocratic. But I bet you only

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:00 PM

Apr 2016

believe that because Clinton has a harder time with them. I would be curious if you believe that using super-duper-delegates is democratic.

Primary voting has had horrible examples of failing the democracy test. I remember in 2000 when thousands and thousands of AA were not allowed to vote because their polling places had machines that didn't work, or not enough machines. Something similar happened recently in AZ. The Ruling Class has a much harder time rigging caucuses than primary votes counted by machines.

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Is the 2016 Election Already Being Stripped and Flipped? [View all] yuiyoshida Apr 2016 OP

K&R G_j Apr 2016 #1

I strongly believe that many of HRC's wins have been padded. Perhaps heavily so. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #2

I strongly believe that Scarlett Johansson will enter my room tonight... trumad Apr 2016 #15

Don't bother to question, right, Wizard of Oz? Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #46

why only question her wins though? he only seems to win caucuses La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #63

you mean caucuses where everyone actually sees the votes lakeguy Apr 2016 #91

It's your subjective opinion that caucuses are undemocratic. But I bet you only rhett o rick Apr 2016 #110

Of course not!! nt Duval Apr 2016 #83

You don't believe anyone that dares speak truth to the Authoritarian Power. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #111

Yawn trumad Apr 2016 #130

Gloat because you feel safe siding with the biggest bully, the wealthy 1%. But we will rhett o rick Apr 2016 #136

You guys sincerely bore me. trumad Apr 2016 #138

You are naive YOHABLO Apr 2016 #122

I know--- trumad Apr 2016 #129

how many black people did you meet in your business travels in Virginia La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #62

My family and friends will be shocked to hear that. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #95

Pictures from campaign speeches prove Hillary has no popular support J_J_ Apr 2016 #80

The biggest crowds she will get will be at the convention LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #96

I hope they boo her ... oh wait, they will. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #123

Of course you do. When is the last time Hortensis Apr 2016 #81

That's also my view of the recent election in Virginia where I know there are . appalachiablue Apr 2016 #82

What wins? The senator job was a gift. Has she won any other contests? larkrake Apr 2016 #86

agree Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #100

Oh for fuck's sake... Adrahil Apr 2016 #131

When my candidate wins, everything is hunky dory. 6000eliot Apr 2016 #144

That is not my argument. Thanks for playing. We have fabulous parting gifts. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #146

Is the 2016 Election already being stripped or flipped. Willow51 Apr 2016 #3

FYI Bev Harris is not an acceptable source @DU librechik Apr 2016 #25

why was she tombstoned? Pharaoh Apr 2016 #41

Seriously. trumad Apr 2016 #47

I think Bev is generally on the side of the angels with respect ... 11 Bravo Apr 2016 #52

was out of the loop Pharaoh Apr 2016 #71

Wow.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #88

Amen, 11 Bravo dmr Apr 2016 #92

She was also a fucking loon, so there's that. 6000eliot Apr 2016 #145

We would not allow nuclear weapon launch codes to be susceptible to hacking. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #4

Count paper ballots. The obsession for instant results is utter stupidity. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #5

Or use computers, but print out two copies of each vote, turn in one and keep one. DamnYankeeInHouston Apr 2016 #9

Scanned paper ballots can be the best of both worlds. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2016 #18

yup. i trust david orr. mopinko Apr 2016 #38

Thanks for the info, mo. surrealAmerican Apr 2016 #51

which is why i never do it. mopinko Apr 2016 #60

Early voting in NC had machines, not touch screens. Duval Apr 2016 #85

our elections should not come down to trusting anything but our own eyes questionseverything Apr 2016 #57

i totally agree, but mopinko Apr 2016 #64

doubled checking that what is reported at the precinct compared to the tape report is one important questionseverything Apr 2016 #70

found something interesting questionseverything Apr 2016 #75

+1 Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #39

And one major step further Dan Apr 2016 #54

as i mentioned above mopinko Apr 2016 #65

In theory with computers Dan Apr 2016 #84

we have paper ballots scanned with accuvote counters but no hand counts allowed! J_J_ Apr 2016 #76

I agree!! Paper ballots, hand counted. Have cameras at the counting stations streaming to the FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #103

We live in an upside-down world. Jerry442 Apr 2016 #6

exactly questionseverything Apr 2016 #58

+10000000000000 J_J_ Apr 2016 #77

Our elections have always been crooked. Duh. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #7

I'm so tired of this bs nt Rebkeh Apr 2016 #8

It's another "uniquely American solution" dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #10

Thank you for posting /nt think Apr 2016 #11

I suppose we should support Hillary then Onlooker Apr 2016 #12

just give up lol. nt retrowire Apr 2016 #42

Exactly. Bernie sure got the votes "stripped and flipped" in Clark County, NV. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #128

There is no verified voting in the US blackspade Apr 2016 #13

In WI last Friday, election registration computers crashed for 3 hours starting at 8:45AM. FourScore Apr 2016 #14

Very sad and pathetic! It's past time to do something about this. Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #16

I agree but what do you suggest we do? Hotler Apr 2016 #21

Let's try Bernie's political revolution first. Yes it will take millions of committed Americans to Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #28

Again I agree. But I don't think... Hotler Apr 2016 #37

I share your fears, but hope he can pull it off. Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #135

These things are mostly subject to state law, so solutions can be mandated by state legislatures 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #55

I live in Colorado where there is mail in ballot also. ..... Hotler Apr 2016 #109

CODE RED: Computerized Election Theft 48lowes Apr 2016 #17

Crazy talk from Hillary Haters on the kook fringe. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19

Have you been asleep for 20 years? roody Apr 2016 #29

The article makes up a bunch of stuff in order to claim geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30

Are Clinton and her supporters really stupid enough to believe tha AZ voter-- eridani Apr 2016 #126

Clinton's campaign is fighting voter disenfranchisement geek tragedy Apr 2016 #133

Not according to the Wisconsin tweet celebrqting the negagive effect of voter ID on students n/t eridani Apr 2016 #143

I've come to the conclusion that all of the Bernie Brigade complaints stem from the same problem... brooklynite Apr 2016 #20

no, it's that we're pretty sure we know WHY some would vote for Hillary. nt retrowire Apr 2016 #43

+1 nt Duval Apr 2016 #87

Speaking of stripping Rebkeh Apr 2016 #22

+1000 eom noiretextatique Apr 2016 #34

Alert results Crabby Appleton Apr 2016 #23

I think most of those jurors edhopper Apr 2016 #24

Or we noticed that the alerter's complaints were a job for the hosts, not a jury muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #69

you make edhopper Apr 2016 #72

We are suseptible to election fraud d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #27

Imploring people to vote blue noiretextatique Apr 2016 #36

A complete waste of time and good will. If we can't be cleaner than the other guy Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #49

Yes...and another thing noiretextatique Apr 2016 #98

Wow, rub some raw nerves did we? Rex Apr 2016 #79

Caucus vs. Primary Question pattyinez Apr 2016 #26

it couldn't be that people prefer another candidate. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #31

Have you seen the photos from the caucuses creatives4innovation Apr 2016 #66

those are caucuses, not primaries. Primaries have much, much higher overall turnout. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #67

I get your point creatives4innovation Apr 2016 #73

caucuses require a lot more effort to vote, and they don't allow for much participation geek tragedy Apr 2016 #74

I'd guess there's an enthusiasm gap with caucuses creatives4innovation Apr 2016 #89

if it's the stand in one place stuff, not if people fill out paper ballots geek tragedy Apr 2016 #90

I'm not fond of caucuses though I've never experienced one first hand creatives4innovation Apr 2016 #106

another big difference is that very often the vote is not private nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #107

I've never understood that creatives4innovation Apr 2016 #118

Exactly. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #50

This is sad and sickening and true.. mountain grammy Apr 2016 #32

Why make it simple ......................................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #33

Thats why im voting for Hillary! Cryptoad Apr 2016 #35

good job standing by the candidate who hasn't said jack shit retrowire Apr 2016 #45

Because.... you're a shill and an idiot? FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #104

The solution is very very simple houston16revival Apr 2016 #40

Fucking Voters Yallow Apr 2016 #44

Vote by mail- Oregon style GoldenMean Apr 2016 #48

You forgot the most important perk: Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #53

We can vote nekkid! DJ13 Apr 2016 #105

... Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #139

the scanners can be manipulated too though questionseverything Apr 2016 #61

Then there is the story of a Mail bag yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #113

47 of 47 SoapBox Apr 2016 #56

These things are mostly subject to state law, so solutions can be mandated by state legislatures 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #59

I wonder if we should have.... Takket Apr 2016 #68

Hard to trust elections after 2000 and 2004. The GOP destroyed the integrity of the election. Rex Apr 2016 #78

The fact that we are ranked 47th out 47 . . . cer7711 Apr 2016 #93

Yep: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds think Apr 2016 #102

Those who run the "flip" are shielded from "confronting." The #1 answer: a constitutional amendment. ancianita Apr 2016 #94

Thank you for this OP, yuiyoshida! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #97

You know if the Powers that be want Donald Trump yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #114

But Brnie has unified us for the Movement! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #140

I am hoping he does to the point of taking yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #141

Bernie has the Momenum and it keeps growing! Optimism is infectious! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #142

Thank goodness someone is paying attention. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #99

Boy are the GOP Plants good. It took all of one minute for this to go from a discussion Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #101

Doesn't Surprise Me One Bit... I Always Felt "Sometimes" Things Went Wrong... ChiciB1 Apr 2016 #108

I suspect it has ... smiley Apr 2016 #112

So weird and you never really know yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #115

We can only hope Anonymous will be keeping an eye on things dflprincess Apr 2016 #116

easy remedy: three part NCR paper. Yellow, blue, pink. grasswire Apr 2016 #117

That would be awesome. There is no reason we can't have a paper trail other think Apr 2016 #119

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #120

All one has to ask is why is "diebolt" so Infamous yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #134

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #121

need a link and / or reference .. I want to see this. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #125

What Bernie actually said: marble falls Apr 2016 #132

I hope not Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #124

Clearly the system is broken. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #127

K&R lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #137