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159. I feel like

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:30 AM

Apr 2016

If i vote for Hillary than i feel like i condone all of these...

1) NAFTA 1994
2) Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994
3) Telecommunications Act of 1996
4) Commodity Futures Modernization Act 2000
5) Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act(Glass-Steagall Act repeal) 2000
6) Welfare Reform 1996

All supported by Hillary during her husbands presidency. Still supports them now except NAFTA which she's just kinda waiveres on.

I can't in good faith support Democrats who support these laws. It's ideology over party and if that's what the party is leaning towards than I'll Vote for Jill Stein and truthfully I've been researching her and her positions just in case Bernie can't pull off a miracle or some other event that would give him the nomination. This is real shit people. If we keep voting for the same types of politicians we'll keep getting these same types of legislation. Would thing's be worse under a president Trump? Probably. Would things be worse under Clinton? Probably. See, Trump won't be able to push Congress into signing hate laws or banning people. Won't happen. Financial laws? Oh hell yes! Same kinds Hillary would support. I have no illusions that Hillary would rein in the banks, change trade laws. Chastise me all you want but i didn't want her in 08 and i don't want her now and the fact she's being forced on us by the party makes it an even BIGGER pill to swallow.

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Susan Sarandon: "all I know is that I just can’t live with myself if I don’t say something." [View all] closeupready Mar 2016 OP

I believe the ridiculous demonization of Sarandon by Hillary supporters is because, as a strong djean111 Mar 2016 #1

Absolutely agree. closeupready Mar 2016 #3

If you agree.... I probably agree too. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #6

Bernie is the best candidate this country has had in my lifetime Baobab Mar 2016 #136

i fear you are correct about this being our last chance questionseverything Mar 2016 #140

I refuse to admit defeat nxylas Apr 2016 #183

You are so right! Best candidate in my lifetime. 72 years. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #170

I was just thinking, this morning, that this is why the Dixie Chicks were demonized - djean111 Mar 2016 #8

Nothing to do with her being a woman, but everything to do with her being a tinfoilnaderite. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #9

Nader ran 16 years ago. Hillary opposed marriage equality until 3 years ago. If the one is a Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #12

The consequences of voting for Nader redstateblues Mar 2016 #35

It is a fantasy that Gore lost because of Nader. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #63

All are true except #5. Gore ran away from Clinton and his record the entire election cycle. TeamPooka Mar 2016 #73

Maybe a mutual adversity between Clinton and Gore? PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #76

It's all about the fact Gore couldn't win his damn home state. If he had won TN then he wins clean TeamPooka Mar 2016 #99

I'll concede to the loss in TN (that I did note) but the Nader stuff is still BS. eom PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #102

agreed. TeamPooka Mar 2016 #103

West Virginia or New Hampshire rpannier Apr 2016 #155

That IS something often overlooked. nt 7962 Apr 2016 #178

If Al Gore had JUST ONCE looked to The Left, bvar22 Mar 2016 #122

People here forget that Gore was part of the Democratic Leadership Council PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #123

Gore did win as we now know.Too quick to concede. It was a cou bjobotts Apr 2016 #157

I did the same thing to vote against Reagan in the 190 primaries, the switched back to D tblue37 Mar 2016 #141

Nader cost the country a War by putting Bush in offiice lewebley3 Mar 2016 #153

You are wrong. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #154

They are wrong. Misinformed. Nader no effect on the race...none bjobotts Apr 2016 #158

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If FLA had played out the election protocol and the USSC not awarded FLA to GWB, PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #163

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I want Democrats to do better. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #167

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Trump is not worse than Bush SylviaD Apr 2016 #175

i have to agree. redruddyred Apr 2016 #166

You forgot to add Nader. JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #171

Nader was a symptom not a cause of the problems as to why the Democrats PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #189

Nader admitted he was a factor in the 2000 election JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #191

thanks for posting that PufPuf23 YOHABLO Apr 2016 #188

Thank you YOHABLO. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #190

Bullshit! Bush*/Cheney* were NOT consequences of Nader. Raster Mar 2016 #77

Fuck Nader and his moron apologists. trumad Mar 2016 #118

And another conservative Democrat speaks up beerandjesus Mar 2016 #126

Fuck Nader trumad Mar 2016 #137

I'm sure you're a good Reagan Democrat. beerandjesus Mar 2016 #146

Fuck Nader! trumad Mar 2016 #150

Welcome to my ignore list. Shame, cuz you've had some good posts in the past. beerandjesus Apr 2016 #184

Let me say it again. trumad Apr 2016 #185

GREAT post. beerandjesus Mar 2016 #127

Thank you! Raster Mar 2016 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #162

Gore had already won the popular vote. It was the electoral vote that mattered and 60k votes Erose999 Apr 2016 #181

2.7% went to Ralph Nader. JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #124

Have you ever read Ralph Nader's platform, read it. Baobab Mar 2016 #142

That theory has been debunked so many times. Catch up. Nader only affected issues bjobotts Apr 2016 #156

Consequences of voting for Hillary include the Iraq war, DOMA, the PATRIOT ACT, etc. Erose999 Apr 2016 #180

That's such B.S. and you should really do your homework on that issue. YOHABLO Apr 2016 #187

BAM !!!!!!!!!!! Right in the chops !!!!! pangaia Mar 2016 #55

Bernie "Evolved" on marriage equality as well. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #70

From about 1972 -- #3 kristopher Mar 2016 #83

His statement doesn't refer to Gay marriages. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #104

Those are lies, he never said the quotes from 1982 and 2006. My god you people are shameless. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #96

I'll let the articles I posted above speak for themselves. nt Fla Dem Mar 2016 #108

Those have been debunked, you'll need to do a lot better than that. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #111

That is manufactured Rovian bunkum. kristopher Mar 2016 #114

The Twitter account where you got that meme has a picture of Bernie in a Nazi uniform. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #98

That figures. nt kristopher Mar 2016 #105

Not at all surprising, is it? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #106

You don't know where I got the meme's. Just because they MAY HAVE BEEN posted there Fla Dem Mar 2016 #107

Just stop falsifying history. kristopher Mar 2016 #109

Those lies come from either a right wing source or a rat fucker. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #116

Spoken like someone who is most decidedly NOT a liberal. beerandjesus Mar 2016 #21

Which may be why there's seems to be.... daleanime Mar 2016 #28

Oh, I said there was room... not that they could hog the whole damn thing! beerandjesus Mar 2016 #38

Nader's popularity, like Sanders, is a result of the Democratic party disenfranchising its base. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #112

Two words: Lordquinton Mar 2016 #144

Exactly, they've been attacking her for months, ever since she endorsed Bernie. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #10

You can't criticize a Democratic politician from the left, but misogyny from the left is uber cool. merrily Mar 2016 #152

The demonization of Hillary by Sarandon is the real issue joeybee12 Mar 2016 #15

She disagrees with things that Hillary has done, and things Hillary stands for. djean111 Mar 2016 #19

Listen to what she said... joeybee12 Mar 2016 #20

Let me know when anyone in Hillary's camp apologizes for the vile spew from David Brock djean111 Mar 2016 #24

FFS yourself joeybee12 Mar 2016 #26

I don't have to defend her. I don't believe she cares what you think. djean111 Mar 2016 #29

Well, you tried to and failed joeybee12 Mar 2016 #31

I think it is time for that Full Ignore button, really. djean111 Mar 2016 #34

Right on! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #75

This thread has been pure gold for beefing up that ignore list, hasn't it? beerandjesus Apr 2016 #186

Let's get back on topic. You're off on a tangent. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #79

"Deadbeat?" Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #36

Are you saying Bernie is a deadbeat? SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #49

Brock works for Hillary's campaign. Directly. To say otherwise is to lie. n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #62

Hillary has quit calling people deadbeats during this campaign, I think. Perhaps you could too? jtuck004 Mar 2016 #64

Wait! That's because she first brought them to heel. closeupready Mar 2016 #95

Deadbeat? Has Hillary paid for security at the Des Moines concert on Oct 24 that she Autumn Mar 2016 #89

Ha! Boom! valerief Mar 2016 #117

Bernie paid his. Autumn Mar 2016 #120

I know. And on time. Cuz he doesn't play by the Oligarch rules. nt valerief Mar 2016 #121

She never equated Hillary with Trump and she has LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #27

They asked her outright if she would vote for HIllary joeybee12 Mar 2016 #30

Comparing 2 things does not mean saying they are the same tkmorris Mar 2016 #45

FFS...FFS...FFS.... FFS... pangaia Mar 2016 #60

That's not what she said. This is Limbaugh level distortion claptrap. Major Nikon Mar 2016 #65

Um.... I'm a supporter of Bernie Sanders, and I take full responsiblity for RiverNoord Mar 2016 #101

pretty much stupidicus Mar 2016 #41

How DARE she not agree with Hillary on every topic! arcane1 Mar 2016 #59

oh looky, a subject change by someone who goes on to stupidicus Mar 2016 #61

"you people" plus insults equals stereotyping and scapegoating carolinayellowdog Mar 2016 #84

It is really sad that Hillary supporters constantly conflate policy criticism Maedhros Mar 2016 #91

Demonization? chervilant Mar 2016 #151

Oh the irony Renew Deal Mar 2016 #39

They ridicule her because they don't measure up and have to take shots at her. It's typical behavior ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #51

Susan is responsible for herself: No one made her say those things lewebley3 Mar 2016 #54

I also agree. nt Duval Mar 2016 #58

.+1 840high Mar 2016 #93

Obviously emsimon33 Mar 2016 #148

What is your evidence for this? Adrahil Apr 2016 #182

She also supported Nader and now thinks Trump can start a revolution. leftofcool Mar 2016 #2

In her advocacy of the first, she BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #4

got to say something hfojvt Mar 2016 #7

i have a good opinion of those who supported nader redruddyred Apr 2016 #168

Susan Sarandon has always been an advocate for the good. n/t Merryland Mar 2016 #5

Ralph Nader was not "the good" redstateblues Mar 2016 #37

There are a lot of people not skewered by pointy auto bumpers and sliced up by windshields, jtuck004 Mar 2016 #50

said to be worth $50 million hfojvt Mar 2016 #11

No one was saying anything about "sacrifice". djean111 Mar 2016 #13

if you walk the walk hfojvt Mar 2016 #43

Doesn't that makes the Clintons exponentially worse, for you? djean111 Mar 2016 #46

Why do some people think hfojvt Mar 2016 #57

but she still gives. nt Javaman Mar 2016 #14

So do many other 1%ers and they are berated on a daily basis. leftofcool Mar 2016 #42

Hillary surrogate Angela Bassett, film acting peer of Sarandon's is worth about $30 million and that Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #18

She has no more credibility... joeybee12 Mar 2016 #16

Straw man failure in logic Geronimoe Mar 2016 #22

Yeah, she did...apparently you hear only what Bernie joeybee12 Mar 2016 #23

Please cite the quote. nt Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #44

Your posts are devoid of content. Maedhros Mar 2016 #92

Can you even imagine Puglover Mar 2016 #139

She obviously thinks like he does leftofcool Mar 2016 #40

This topic, ostensibly, has ZERO to do with the primaries. closeupready Mar 2016 #78

Because the world waits with baited breath to hear the next gem of wisdom from Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #17

that is "bated" carolinayellowdog Mar 2016 #88

LOL that was beautiful navarth Mar 2016 #125

Thanks; you can see I was punished. carolinayellowdog Mar 2016 #130

I thought you nailed it navarth Mar 2016 #147

Ever heard of punctuation and capitalization, Professor? johnp3907 Mar 2016 #129

For your expedient edification, should you choose to peruse it: Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #192

Dammit, Janet. Orrex Mar 2016 #25

Oh gawd! That takes me back years... beastie boy Mar 2016 #32

K and R nt Rebkeh Mar 2016 #33

she's a far better person than the 3rdway candidate she opposes stupidicus Mar 2016 #47

She thinks women who have abortions should be punished. leftofcool Mar 2016 #131

then link the quote stupidicus Mar 2016 #134

K&R dchill Mar 2016 #48

Evidently, this includes saying something batshit whacky. beastie boy Mar 2016 #52

I absolutely support Susan Sarandon. SoapBox Mar 2016 #53

I support Susan Sarandon, she wasn't playing along with the corporate media conglomerate's Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #56

You are VW! closeupready Mar 2016 #80

But...was she ever NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #66

Lol! ozone_man Mar 2016 #145

Don't let them get you down Susan. zeemike Mar 2016 #67

I support Susan Sarandon PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #68

Very Patriotic libodem Mar 2016 #69

She's a good actress and I believe she's genuine in her beliefs. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2016 #71

That's fair. closeupready Mar 2016 #81

I believe she was being genuine when she said women who have abortions should be punished leftofcool Mar 2016 #132

She's an awesome human being Prism Mar 2016 #72

One Word Cryptoad Mar 2016 #74

Such tolerance from the Clinton supporters. 840high Mar 2016 #97

Funny... MrWendel Mar 2016 #82

"Walks the walk?" She lives in a $12 MILLION house! George II Mar 2016 #85

Susan is a giver. Hillary us a taker. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2016 #86

Please Recognize Your Privilege If You Can Afford Eight Years of Hillary Clinton and the Status Quo Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #90

And George Clooney? one_voice Mar 2016 #94

I suspect it be the same folks that mock people like President Jimmy Carter. Rex Mar 2016 #100

Kill the messenger, shame and blame felix_numinous Mar 2016 #110

And now she can add Donald Trump to her list of causes. BainsBane Mar 2016 #113

Excellent response! 6000eliot Mar 2016 #115

Yes and punishing women for abortions. leftofcool Mar 2016 #133

Cute way to get Hillary bashing in GD. trumad Mar 2016 #119

Cute way to get Bernie bashing in GD, B Calm Apr 2016 #177

Try harder, Ms. Sarandon. (nt) Paladin Mar 2016 #135

k & r m-lekktor Mar 2016 #138

I stand with Susan, NOT Hillary Vote2016 Mar 2016 #143

Susan Sarandon is honest, real, an all-round amazing person. We need more people like her. reformist2 Mar 2016 #149

I feel like HawkMode Apr 2016 #159

Susan Sarandon's "comments smacked of petulance and privilege." pnwmom Apr 2016 #160

"This position is dangerous, shortsighted and self-immolating." Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #174

My inclination is to forgive Sarandon the gaffe. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #164

we're burnin' daylight! hopemountain Apr 2016 #173

The way they are attacking her makes me think they hate her because she's a woman B Calm Apr 2016 #176

Jimmy Savile gave a lot of money to charity too. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #179