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Response to oberliner (Reply #80)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:14 PM

84. Not the point.

Whether ISIS acts through individuals or as a group... they are individuals - they do not represent the whole of the Muslim people, no more than Westboro Baptists represent the whole of Christianity. Their own interpretation of their religion may have plenty to do with it - but then you have the vast majority of Muslims, who do not behave that way. Once again - these are extremists and they are individuals . No group in it's entirety should (or even can) be held responsible for what some of it's members do. To suggest otherwise would lead you down a rather slippery slope, would it not?

I also did not say that religion had nothing to do with it. There are different ways one might interpret one's religion - the bible, for instance, is full of so many parables that they can be taken to mean a wide, wide variety of different things.

Yes, ISIS is an organization claiming to act on behalf of their religion... regardless of whether or not that religion, or the vast majority of it's followers actually want them to act on their behalf. Again... it is not ISLAM that is to blame, it is the individuals within the terrorist organization/s.

They are not doing things on behalf of their religion, they are doing things on behalf of their own interpretation of that religion... which is interpreted in many different ways by many different people. Philosophies, principles, many things come into play here, in addition to faith and/or zealotry.

Religion itself is an idea - not an action. Plenty of people use it as an excuse to commit terrible crimes - but that IS what it is - an excuse. An attempt to justify what cannot be justified rationally through using one's faith. It is wrong when anyone does it - but it is the individual and not the religion that is to blame.

As an agnostic - should I be held responsible for the actions of all agnostics everywhere? If I do terrible, cruel things... does that say something about agnosticism itself? Or just me?

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