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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
149. I don't think you understand ...
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jun 2012

How this law works ... Or you would be making statements like:

He hasn't be granted SYG status at this point


SYG is not something that is "granted", it is something that is raised/asserted.

He still has to convince the jury.


No ... Zimmerman does not have to convince a jury of anything. He merely says ... "I shot him; but it was self defense" and if he had been smart, he would have left it at that and not true to convince anyone of anything.

Unless the judge grants SYG status on Zimmerman's word alone.


Again, the judge does not grant the status ... it is raised/asserted AND yes, that assertion is based on zimmerman's word alone.

I'm beginning to think zimmerman's best defenseive tactic might just be to refuse to take the stand and in closing argument say:

"I know you were expecting to hear my client explain why he decided to get out of his truck to follow Trayvon. Or why George decided continued to look for Trayvon, even after the dispatcher suggested that he don't. But under the law, he doesn't have to do that; he merely has to tell you that he acted in self-defense ... It is then the prosecution's burden to, not only explain what happenned, but PROVE that my client did not act in self-defense. And I caution you, that is the only question to be judged ... not what my client may or may not have done, in the moments or days or even years before, or after he pulled the trigger, on that night."

GOOD! MoonRiver Jun 2012 #1
where he belongs AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #2
Good News montanacowboy Jun 2012 #3
Anybody who wants to see himself as a superhero and has rage issues Warpy Jun 2012 #4
How did they find out about the passport? randome Jun 2012 #5
He talked about it with his wife, and the call was monitored. tabatha Jun 2012 #10
Good. Ironic that he shoots an unarmed black kid and gains all kinds of support from the calimary Jun 2012 #25
true true ThomThom Jun 2012 #37
His supporters are whining that poor George is being treated unfairly and horribly Lilyeye Jun 2012 #40
It's almost like he subconsciously WANTS to go to jail. randome Jun 2012 #30
It's almost like he's stupid. Iggo Jun 2012 #31
"This guy's mouth is going to sentence him." Along with his temperament, his trigger finger, 99 Percent Sure Jun 2012 #95
This guy really does sound like a total fucking dumbass. Frank Cannon Jun 2012 #115
he spoke with his wife from jail in code. cali Jun 2012 #14
Oday ouyay illstay avehay ymay extraway assportpay andway allway ethay extraway ashcay? FSogol Jun 2012 #20
.... laundry_queen Jun 2012 #68
LOLOL!! Nay Jun 2012 #70
LOL Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #106
and another.... Kahuna Jun 2012 #110
This is hilarious!!!! qanda Jun 2012 #137
The schadenfreude is strong with this one! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2012 #6
LOL !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #8
Not jail yet. LiberalAndProud Jun 2012 #7
MY link says, "Zimmerman back to jail, bond revoked" n/t jenmito Jun 2012 #19
Yes, I see that your link has updated information. LiberalAndProud Jun 2012 #21
On MSNBC just now they said Z will surrender himself within 48 hrs. lob1 Jun 2012 #27
He needs a new defense attorney atreides1 Jun 2012 #9
Any lawyer representing Zimmerman is the captain of a sinking ship. Scootaloo Jun 2012 #15
Why? MoonRiver Jun 2012 #16
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2012 #23
Bingo WolverineDG Jun 2012 #61
Exactly Vanje Jun 2012 #143
Why? Zimmerman probably lied to him, too! n/t jenmito Jun 2012 #26
He clearly did as the lawyer took the case pro bono until he heard about the cash Generic Other Jun 2012 #93
His meds make you paranoid too. vaberella Jun 2012 #114
You should not lie to your attorney or to the judge or the court. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #43
According to the Sun Sentinel he's adding a new attorney to the team. Mugu Jun 2012 #66
Wow, this guy goes through lawyers like Kleenex Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #105
Or the defense attourney needs a new client quakerboy Jun 2012 #72
An attorney is allowed to fire a client obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #117
Interesting quakerboy Jun 2012 #139
You're welcome! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #142
As a defense attorney, I disagree with you. msanthrope Jun 2012 #79
And thinks lying to his attorney and the judge is okay obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #120
Actually, Zimmerman never informed his lawyer as to the extra cash or the extra passport. vaberella Jun 2012 #113
Bernie De La Rionda for State Attorney of Seminole County! Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #11
But George Zimmerman can't lie, right? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #12
This is why he IS going to be found guilty Cosmocat Jun 2012 #36
Well, he doesn't *have* to testify..... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #38
Not in Florida ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #60
What a screwed up provision.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #100
Not quite. The defendant in this case has already admitted to killing Trayvon and to stalking him. 1monster Jun 2012 #135
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #141
He hasn't be granted SYG status at this point. He claims it, but according to the prosecution, 1monster Jun 2012 #148
I don't think you understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #149
If this were so, he couldn't have been charged. He has. Now the JURY, unless 1monster Jun 2012 #150
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #151
But now Zimmerman has to make that claim to a judge who already knows csziggy Jun 2012 #147
Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #152
As Judge Judy says, if you tell the truth obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #121
Zimmerman has lied so much I don't know if he remembers who he is, himself. n/t vaberella Jun 2012 #153
Totally. He even lied at his own bond hearing. vaberella Jun 2012 #116
He was always a flight risk and his actions now prove it. freshwest Jun 2012 #13
He lied to the judge...maybe more charges will come about. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #17
Perjury? Contempt? longship Jun 2012 #18
Good news. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #22
If he had two passports, but only surrendered one, Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #24
Two passports... Spazito Jun 2012 #28
He may have anotehr citizenship n/t Inuca Jun 2012 #39
That was my first thought but it turns out both are U.S. passports... Spazito Jun 2012 #44
He could have lost it and then found it after applying for the 2nd jeff47 Jun 2012 #45
Why didn't he turn in BOTH then? Spazito Jun 2012 #47
That would be the criminal part jeff47 Jun 2012 #48
It will be interesting to see if further charges result... Spazito Jun 2012 #49
And why would he be talking to his wife about it?? onlyadream Jun 2012 #69
Well, his wife may well suffer some consequences for this as well.. Spazito Jun 2012 #73
Wow. onlyadream Jun 2012 #87
He's an idiot Aerows Jun 2012 #108
i hold two passports ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #74
I'm assuming you are saying you hold two U.S. passports and, if so... Spazito Jun 2012 #75
it is as fairly rare occurrence ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #77
Ahh, yes, that makes sense... Spazito Jun 2012 #81
anytime... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #83
LOL, nope, sorry... Spazito Jun 2012 #84
if ever i win the lottery i will have enough money ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #90
LOL! Never thought of it that way... Spazito Jun 2012 #92
See post 118. It's not a common occurence though. n/t vaberella Jun 2012 #119
most likely dual citizenship with a passport from each to prove citizenship lunasun Jun 2012 #109
No, it's not illegal. vaberella Jun 2012 #118
You can't fly with the passport card. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #130
You can. vaberella Jun 2012 #131
Correction, the passport card cannot be used for air travel tammywammy Jun 2012 #132
It says right on the card that it cannot be used for air travel. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #144
Not if one is from another country obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #124
one lie after another. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #29
Thank God, he's back where he belongs!! Happydayz Jun 2012 #32
Have fun in jail George....... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #33
Freepers not handling it well pokerfan Jun 2012 #34
They want him to flee, I hope he does, it'll show what a coward he is. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #42
Lol, they are so stupid. 'Illegal wiretapping' 'Why was he under surveillance' sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #46
Bwaahaaha Myrina Jun 2012 #50
Lol, I know, what happened to 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about'? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #55
"every moron knows that calls are monitored in jail" Apparently not EVERY moron. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #57
These people are total idiots Lilyeye Jun 2012 #58
Hahaha...that jumped off the page for me too. FarPoint Jun 2012 #107
Ooh, one of them has a tough guy implied threat....... yellowcanine Jun 2012 #52
"Why would he get a second passport? Think he may be concerned about being railroads?" yellowcanine Jun 2012 #54
He got the second passport years ago. It has nothing to do with this particular case. LisaL Jun 2012 #62
No doubt, but with Freepers everything connects to the current situation. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #98
Another winner of the WTF award..... yellowcanine Jun 2012 #56
That is magically schadenfreudelicious! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2012 #97
Oh, I'm sure this won't affect judgment of his credibility at all! bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #35
I doubt he'll suffer too much in jail nxylas Jun 2012 #41
Nuh-uh. Iggo Jun 2012 #71
Zimmerman looked a lot like a flight risk. This move can do no real harm to justice. slackmaster Jun 2012 #51
Those "jail calls" lol. I can't tell you how many "reasonable doubt" defenses I've seen trumped WheelWalker Jun 2012 #53
I think the "jail calls" might also be where they caught him changing his story Quixote1818 Jun 2012 #102
How can somebody have 2 passports? catbyte Jun 2012 #59
He reported the first one stolen in 2004 and got a second one. LisaL Jun 2012 #63
HMMM? I Wonder Which One He Turned Over To Authorities? HangOnKids Jun 2012 #65
he surrendered the one that had been reported as lost pokerfan Jun 2012 #82
Yes and it looks like his lawyer knew about it prior to this breaking... Spazito Jun 2012 #85
Probably Because O'Mara Heard About Passport#2 About The Same Time We Did! HangOnKids Jun 2012 #88
According to CNN, O'Mara stated he had the second passport in his possession... Spazito Jun 2012 #91
The Lies Are Flying! HangOnKids Jun 2012 #94
The excuse makes no sense to me whatsoever.n/t vaberella Jun 2012 #127
Why would a seasoned attorney make such a mistake? vaberella Jun 2012 #126
I Think O'Mara Is Lying Too Vab HangOnKids Jun 2012 #136
see post #77 ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2012 #78
Nothing speaks innocence like jumping or planning to jump bond! ....... marble falls Jun 2012 #64
lot's of stupid people there being led by paid pathological liars fascisthunter Jun 2012 #67
K&R Number23 Jun 2012 #76
Anyone notice his usual defenders are stone, cold silent in this thread? CreekDog Jun 2012 #80
Yes obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #125
Crossed my mind a few times. n/t vaberella Jun 2012 #128
Sweet as!!!!!!!!!!!!! malaise Jun 2012 #86
he didn't know his jail phone was tapped????!! grasswire Jun 2012 #89
I wonder what else those conversations revealed? n/t ingac70 Jun 2012 #96
That will be interesting. n/t vaberella Jun 2012 #129
That is sooooo awesome! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #99
I would think "flight risk" if I were the judge. ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #101
Good ecstatic Jun 2012 #103
No get out of jail free. Now get your ass back to the slammer you freak! lonestarnot Jun 2012 #104
Let him stay in jail forever SkatmanRoth Jun 2012 #111
hey asshole. . .do not pass go. do not collect $200 Suji to Seoul Jun 2012 #112
Please, Please, Please put Zimmerman into the general prison population dinopipie Jun 2012 #122
Zimmerman's wife also lied to the court obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #123
The Judge made a point about that in his comments... Spazito Jun 2012 #133
Oh, thank you, Spazito! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #134
After hearing the Judge's comments I wonder if the State... Spazito Jun 2012 #138
On the issue with Mrs. Zimmerman, there's no reason to arrest her right now.... msanthrope Jun 2012 #145
Very interesting re: his wife obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #146
He should've never been let out on bond. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #140
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