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12. He would be a US citizen, but not natural born

Reply to sharp_stick (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 12:59 PM

Jan 2016

If he were natural born, it would not matter whether his parents were US citizens, or not.

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Ted Cruz Citizenship Timeline: Ted Cruz is Canadian at birth. Period. [View all] UCmeNdc Jan 2016 OP

"196x ?BBoth parents applied for and received Canadian citizenship..." KamaAina Jan 2016 #1

Another weak link is mama Cruz. 1st we've heard about 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #7

Yeah, this claim that she wasn't a US citizen at all surprises me anigbrowl Jan 2016 #44

I think that according to US law, you relinquish US citizenship when you apply for another. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #53

Not true anigbrowl Jan 2016 #55

That is true now, but not then.. Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #92

No dual citizenship in Canada Enchantedone Feb 2016 #135

That is absolutely false jberryhill Jan 2016 #107

You didn't need a passport to go to Canada until very recently nt a la izquierda Jan 2016 #99

Crossing the Canada/US Border w/o passport, very easy prior to 1990 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #104

Here's her birth certificate. Any questions? underahedgerow Jan 2016 #60

Yes, I have several questions kay1864 Jan 2016 #70

To get a US passport, you don't necessarily need your birth certificate, in fact. You can bring a underahedgerow Jan 2016 #71

Didn't say he wasn't a US citizen kay1864 Jan 2016 #72

Cruz is not a "natural born" citizen Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #95

Naturalized citizens have the same rights as the natural-born except... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #96

When did Cruz go through the naturalization process n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #97

His mother registered his birth... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #100

Then he wasn't naturalized SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #102

Shades of the birther movement... TipTok Jan 2016 #74

Not at all. earthside Jan 2016 #77

It just shows that some folks will jump in the muck the moment they get the chance to slime... TipTok Jan 2016 #80

Here is a clue... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #93

Yep. Until it is somehow established that the mother was not also an American citizen... Orsino Jan 2016 #15

natural born means... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #101

That's one interpretation, but not established yet as a requirement. Orsino Jan 2016 #134

No, it's an irrelevant link. jeff47 Jan 2016 #18

Show that she was a U.S. Citizen first Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #38

Ok, she's in the US without a green card or visa, and brought her son jeff47 Jan 2016 #39

It's all gonna come down to the definition Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #40

So the founding fathers intended to exclude themselves? jeff47 Jan 2016 #41

The founding fathers wrote in an exception for themselves. Mariana Jan 2016 #78

They covered that ... earthside Jan 2016 #79

You have to be a "natural born" citizen to serve as President or V-President Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #94

It's a moot point right now anyway Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #43

You are 100% incorrect kay1864 Jan 2016 #86

Psychic powers Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #88

Well, if she applied for Canadian citizenship, she must have had a passport to get into Canada anigbrowl Jan 2016 #45

Her birth certificate isn't lost SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #50

Thanks. That renders this whole thread nonsensical then. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #56

No it doesn't because... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #105

You continue to say that he is a naturalized citizen SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #109

Cruz was naturalized... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #118

"It appears" is nothing more than your opinion SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #120

For a child born abroad... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #123

The point of the registration at the embassy or consulate SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #125

So why has Teddy Crazy SwankyXomb Jan 2016 #128

Prior to 1976... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #103

Canada also required five years of residence prior to becoming a citizen SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #112

3 out of 4 years Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #126

That's current law SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #127

Parents were Canadian citizens when Ted was born... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #98

Who is this Anna Tomerlin whom you cite? KamaAina Jan 2016 #111

Cruz's father never said that n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #113

Well, if you can't accept what you read on Facebook as absolute fact, then mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #2

It should not be too hard to verify when the mother and father converted to canadian citizenship UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #9

It isn't a conversion. jeff47 Jan 2016 #26

Ted Cruz Canadian Birth Certificate DhhD Jan 2016 #90

That Link DOES Need To Be Fleshed Out Vogon_Glory Jan 2016 #3

The quote from Cruz's father on that FB page doesn't say that his wife became a Canadian citizen. WillowTree Jan 2016 #4

Next to Rafael Cruz's name on the list is "Mrs. Eleanor Cruz" csziggy Jan 2016 #37

That just says they were married. You don't need the same citizenship for that. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #46

BOTH are on the Voter's List csziggy Jan 2016 #48

So what if she was on the voter list? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #51

Can you vote in Canada if not a citizen of Canada? Herman4747 Jan 2016 #69

Probably not SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #75

...for 1974. Cruz was born in 1970. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #52

Ted Cruz's... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #106

No, he didn't say that n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #115

Oh.......I didn't realize that it was posted on facebook. It must be true then! WillowTree Jan 2016 #130

Is this being disputed? stone space Jan 2016 #5

No. SwankyXomb Jan 2016 #17

If his mother was born in Delaware sharp_stick Jan 2016 #6

Or did she give up her US Citizenship and become a Naturalized Canadian Citizen? UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #10

No. There would be a definitive record of it and there is not. yellowcanine Jan 2016 #16

It's not as easy as folks think to relinquish their US citizenship. stone space Jan 2016 #19

Some DU Nativist just answered "yes" by DU email. stone space Jan 2016 #30

You have to formally renounce your US citizenship. It does not automatically go away jeff47 Jan 2016 #20

Not likely sharp_stick Jan 2016 #23

He would be a US citizen, but not natural born unc70 Jan 2016 #12

No. Natural born just means citizen at birth. jeff47 Jan 2016 #21

Those early presidents were grandfathered in unc70 Jan 2016 #89

I don't believe that sharp_stick Jan 2016 #25

I've heard legal scholars, including Lawrence Tribe, say that natural born means born on the land. Zen Democrat Jan 2016 #129

That still leaves open whether he's a "natural born citizen" starroute Jan 2016 #22

Where did you get that sharp_stick Jan 2016 #27

Here is the US statute starroute Jan 2016 #32

Does Cruz meet these residency requirements? Boxturtle Jan 2016 #35

Considering Cruz was born in 1970 this hardly seems relevant anigbrowl Jan 2016 #47

This is why I said I'd seen earlier versions and they hadn't changed much starroute Jan 2016 #57

Yes, they become citizens by birth. jeff47 Jan 2016 #28

If she became a Canadian citizen, then is Cruz in the country legally? hedgehog Jan 2016 #8

You have to formally renounce your US citizenship to lose it. jeff47 Jan 2016 #24

No. stone space Jan 2016 #31

The fact is madokie Jan 2016 #11

Well done! H2O Man Jan 2016 #13

Facebook posts are now definitive citations? yellowcanine Jan 2016 #14

You left out, or missed one quite important point. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #29

I wish I had the citation... 2naSalit Jan 2016 #33

"I'm not going to engage in a legal debate.” Adsos Letter Jan 2016 #34

This assumes, incorrectly, that there is no such thing as dual citizenship. Jim Lane Jan 2016 #36

Cruz released his mother's birth certificateo SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #42

Yes he did. Its images have been on the internets for several years now. underahedgerow Jan 2016 #59

Both parents applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Naturalization laws UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #65

Link please SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #76

how do you know that? link DrDan Jan 2016 #83

Very relevant thread for me DFW Jan 2016 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #136

Good article, but it's not incumbent on any of us to prove the negative. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #54

Tenous? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #58

Yes, tenuous. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #61

That is what I was wondering Samantha Jan 2016 #63

Is that actually a quote from him SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #64

The constitution states natural born citizens. Funny how republicans can read the 2nd amendment B Calm Jan 2016 #62

Ted to "renounce his Canadian citizenship" UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #66

So if he does, he would be a man without a country. B Calm Jan 2016 #67

He renounced it years ago n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #117

Cruz's renunciation of Canadian citizenship became official 1 year & 7 months ago 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #121

Thank you for the correction - much appreciated! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #122

is that 196X entry (in bold) where cruz's parent applied for and received Canadian citizenship in DrDan Jan 2016 #68

If his Mom really was an American citizen she retains that for life. period. Sunlei Jan 2016 #73

Not if she asked to be a Canadian Citizen and Canada said she must give up her US Citizenship UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #81

did that happen? did she really apply for Canadian citizenship? DrDan Jan 2016 #82

That seems to be the big question UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #84

I have yet to see where anyone said she applied - only that her name appears on some list DrDan Jan 2016 #85

No you do not give up American citizenship. plenty of people are duel cits. Sunlei Jan 2016 #87

Canada's laws do not determine whether you remain a US citizen jberryhill Jan 2016 #110

Cruz Birth Certificate... Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #91

Is the mother still part of his life? mainstreetonce Jan 2016 #108

I think she's still around. briv1016 Jan 2016 #131

*sigh* X_Digger Jan 2016 #114

Incredible, isn't it? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #116

Next I'm expecting them to try to claim that some rethug candidate was born via cesarean. X_Digger Jan 2016 #119

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #124

This will be fun to watch Gothmog Jan 2016 #132

Yes since Ted Cruz believers hate Canadians UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #133