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GGJohn

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18. Listen and learn?

Reply to another_liberal (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 09:32 AM

Jan 2016

From sputnik news?
That's a riot.

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Research concludes the Maidan Square snipers were anti-government militants. [View all] another_liberal Jan 2016 OP

Sputnik, lol Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #1

Far out man! Human101948 Jan 2016 #2

It's even funnier that you choose to post . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #3

What's to say? GGJohn Jan 2016 #4

If you have nothing to say . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #12

but there is nothing to learn from Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #14

That kind of a closed-minded attitude . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #62

You could have found a better researched "article" from counterpunch couldn't you? snooper2 Jan 2016 #75

Maybe, but I liked this one . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #106

Listen and learn? GGJohn Jan 2016 #18

We knew that from day one malaise Jan 2016 #5

The massacre in Odessa a few months after Maidan? another_liberal Jan 2016 #7

And you know this how? GGJohn Jan 2016 #9

you mean the investigation Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #17

Who "knew" from day 1? GGJohn Jan 2016 #8

Good you buy your propaganda malaise Jan 2016 #15

facts invented by Putin and only put out by his two government Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #19

Facts From sputnik news? GGJohn Jan 2016 #22

German TV came to the same conclusion over a year ago... MattSh Jan 2016 #84

Based on what? eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #85

Facts? MattSh Jan 2016 #89

Here's Dr. Katchanovski's Bio. leveymg Jan 2016 #6

Sounds thoroughly quallified . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #10

His credentials don't mean squat, GGJohn Jan 2016 #11

Enough with the baseless character assassinations, GG . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #13

And you are......................? eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #23

ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING? another_liberal Jan 2016 #36

When one posts nothing but Russian propaganda, using nothing but GGJohn Jan 2016 #40

ONE LAST TIME . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #47

I've made my position very clear about the sources you use, GGJohn Jan 2016 #49

I use the sources I find useful . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #56

Your purpose here is to push pro Russian propaganda via GGJohn Jan 2016 #63

ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR? another_liberal Jan 2016 #67

Take it however you want, but the evidence is clear GGJohn Jan 2016 #69

That is enough . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #71

Masters? LOL. GGJohn Jan 2016 #78

Bias of course, dictates one states as much if not actually believe it. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #102

OK. So you agree with the New York Post. Octafish Jan 2016 #98

You illustrate the point I made earlier about "attack the messenger" responses. leveymg Jan 2016 #20

Anything coming from Sputnik News, GGJohn Jan 2016 #24

It's often a choice between fallacies. Igel Jan 2016 #90

Logical fallacies are the Coin of the Realm. Both realms. All realms. leveymg Jan 2016 #92

Qualified, but not necessarily unbiased. But, who is? leveymg Jan 2016 #16

very true, thanks Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #21

Very well put, GGJohn Jan 2016 #25

"Research" proves lol whut? rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #26

Says Sputnik News... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2016 #27

The academic who led this investigation is employed by the University of Ottawa . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #31

From a liberal point of view, Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2016 #34

Propaganda from all governments . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #39

The difference here that most western news sources aren't wholly created, owned and operated GGJohn Jan 2016 #43

They are mostly created, owned and operated by Western investers betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #50

Which is not the same as Sputnik News or RT, both of whom were created by the Kremlin GGJohn Jan 2016 #52

So nobody pays Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #59

The American govt created and run Rush and Bill? GGJohn Jan 2016 #66

The government isn't the only source of propaganda betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #70

If you from Russia, you might think so Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #77

Propaganda from all governments. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2016 #48

Not sure the identity of the snipers has been otherwise established. Links? leveymg Jan 2016 #88

The study proved what its author has been preaching for months. How convenient. pampango Jan 2016 #28

This otherwise unimpeachable investigation refutes what you choose to believe . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #29

What makes you think, this is an "unimpeachable investigation"??? DetlefK Jan 2016 #32

Because I have yet to see anything remotely like actual criticism of this study . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #42

You do obviously not understand how publishing in science works. DetlefK Jan 2016 #46

Paper prepared for presentation at the Annual Meeting of American Political Science Association leveymg Jan 2016 #99

It does not 'refute' what I believe; it 'proves' what the author chooses to believe. pampango Jan 2016 #37

Just an example why you should be careful when a russian news-source quotes someone: DetlefK Jan 2016 #30

This OP is not about your topic . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #33

I am merely warning against taking state-sponsored russian news at face-value. DetlefK Jan 2016 #35

Don't take any news reporting "at face value" . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #44

You would do well to take your own advice, GGJohn Jan 2016 #45

Blog.FanFiktion? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2016 #38

It's really bad, but not in the way you think. DetlefK Jan 2016 #53

Self-publication in any sort of research is generally a negative thing. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2016 #55

Not-self published. Presented at a major conference, and posted by The Netherlands Post Online. leveymg Jan 2016 #100

The paper is not all that impressive karynnj Jan 2016 #97

It's the most thorough study of its kind that I have seen. If there's something better, please link leveymg Jan 2016 #101

True, but the very paper disputes the claims of the OP and his Russian source karynnj Jan 2016 #111

I don't see any such internal contradictions. leveymg Jan 2016 #114

SPUTNIK!!!!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jan 2016 #41

Drink deep, drink often. randome Jan 2016 #51

Who were the peers reviewing this study? OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #54

That is beyond the scope of this chat board discussion . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #57

Your response indicates you already know Codeine Jan 2016 #60

In your imagination, perhaps . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #73

This is the only report of the study, and it's a summary. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #61

LOL. GGJohn Jan 2016 #68

The scope of this discussion includes the credibility of the study. DetlefK Jan 2016 #72

As I said . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #74

As I said... DetlefK Jan 2016 #79

Your interlocutor just did. Kudos to him/her. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #82

Both versions are 79 pages (excepting the face page) and have 343 footnotes. How do they differ? leveymg Jan 2016 #110

I see. I had read the 2014-versions the 2015-version mentions on its title-page. DetlefK Jan 2016 #113

You are free to do what you want. But, I think you have fundamentally misread it. leveymg Jan 2016 #115

It's long past time ... Trajan Jan 2016 #58

Agreed. randome Jan 2016 #64

Somewhere out west? (n/t) OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #65

That's your opinion . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #76

I certainly don't want you sent packing, GGJohn Jan 2016 #80

SputnikNews edhopper Jan 2016 #81

Here's a link to his study: Bradical79 Jan 2016 #83

Thank you . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #86

The question still stands, GGJohn Jan 2016 #87

Paper prepared for presentation at the Annual Meeting of American Political Science Association leveymg Jan 2016 #94

Thank you . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #105

Trolls gotta troll, troll, troll . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #103

Is it beyond the scope of this conversation, or is it not? OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #91

I am not about to get into an argument about "peer review" and such . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #104

And there you have it: OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #107

"Massive failure" is only in the eyes of the beholder . . . another_liberal Jan 2016 #108

You can get the article direct as a pdf without registration here: leveymg Jan 2016 #93

Downloading a pdf off an unknown website? Great idea. LeftyMom Jan 2016 #95

tpo.nl domain is The Netherlands Post Online. leveymg Jan 2016 #96

Limiting data and analysis selection to publication which inherently validate your own conclusions LanternWaste Jan 2016 #109

Sputnik didn't publish this. It's merely picking up (3 mos. late) on an academic paper posted by a leveymg Jan 2016 #112