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davekriss

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63. Seeing your point here

Sun Jan 3, 2016, 01:34 PM

Jan 2016

You say: "... but they haven't acted with any violence. Until they do, we handle this as a civil matter." Despite our other dialogue, I have to say I agree with this. De-escalation should be used, stupidity should not be met with more stupidity. Our disagreement is in your use of law to counter other arguments for use of force. On the letter of the law, I think you're wrong.

But in this day and age when peaceful protestors throughout the country are met with batons, rubber bullets, tear gas, sound canons, and worse, it strikes a very wrong chord to watch how these potentially violent occupiers are met with silk gloves and polite requests to stand down.

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Can you imagine? ..If a band of armed Muslims seized a Federal Bldg. to protect "one of their own"? [View all] 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 OP

It's on the local news here in Eugene, OR. n/t Binkie The Clown Jan 2016 #1

yes, in Portland news too, a brief 2 minute mention. Which is my point. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #2

Maybe you don't remember Ruby Ridge or David Koresh still_one Jan 2016 #3

What makes you think I don't recall Waco? nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #5

I was providing examples where force was used against non-Muslims still_one Jan 2016 #8

To be fair, Koresh wasn't exactly last week. Orrex Jan 2016 #22

Agreed. still_one Jan 2016 #24

It's time we treat racist gun nuts like the terrorists they are. Hoyt Jan 2016 #4

Yes. That IS my precisely point. Thank you. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #6

I've seen the nickname Y'all Qaeda on Facebook nxylas Jan 2016 #9

I prefer Vanilla ISIS NobodyHere Jan 2016 #99

How do you propose the Government handle it? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #32

The same way they'd treat Muslim, Mexicans or blacks? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #46

Is that the proper way to handle it? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #49

Why is this even a question?!? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #53

Maybe violence should be a last resort? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #55

2 new black panther movement fellows at a voting site kept Fox News going for 2 years or more. rusty quoin Jan 2016 #7

K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #10

Looks like the feds don't want another Ruby Ridge, so they're moving slowly. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #11

They should ALL lose their right to own a gun. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #15

Definitely!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #26

Totally agree. If charged with felonies, that should do it. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #75

They should lose the PRIVILEGE of firearm ownership. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #88

Fair point. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #93

That's what I didn't understand about the last Bundy ranch thing. hollowdweller Jan 2016 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Jan 2016 #12

remember what happened to the s.l.a. captainarizona Jan 2016 #13

Rizzo? jberryhill Jan 2016 #38

Philadelphia I imagine refers to the MOVE bombing in 1985 EX500rider Jan 2016 #41

Which didn't happen under Rizzo jberryhill Jan 2016 #47

They should get this response.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #14

They sure as hell should not. Supporting or condoning violence against cali Jan 2016 #16

Yeah,...we need to hold the hands of these delicate flowers. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #17

Yeah, because.that's what I'm suggesting. Bzzzt. Not. cali Jan 2016 #18

It should be MANDATORY for them to lose their guns. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #19

I have no problem with that. Prosecuted and convicted on felony charges, they will lose their cali Jan 2016 #20

So, unnecessarily risk the lives of soldiers? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #58

That's what they would do if it were anyone else. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #59

Ah, so it's not that you think that going in with guns blazing is the correct response. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #60

Why should these guys be any different? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #65

Do I really have to spell it out? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #73

Just so you know, that picture is from "The Blues Brothers". Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #85

No they wouldnt jack_krass Jan 2016 #90

They will if these guys take their "Turner Diary" fantasy too far. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #97

Agreed, but that wasn't my point jack_krass Jan 2016 #103

That's what these asswipes WANT! 2naSalit Jan 2016 #69

Yeah,...because the majority supports these idiots. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #70

Not necessarily 2naSalit Jan 2016 #72

Rejoinder: Guns are banned at the NRA HQ. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #84

Just to be clear, my OP was not so much 'demanding swift military action' as it was 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #71

Which is why (all things being EQUAL) these guys should receive the same love. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #83

But all things are NOT equal, and I hate pretending they are n 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #86

Which is why the response to other protests need to be equally subdued. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #87

So maybe you'd like the FBI to bring these white terrorists cookies & hot chocolate? n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #89

I'd like the FBI and the Cops to do that for Occupy protesters... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #92

Don't hold your breath. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #96

You're exactly right. Vinca Jan 2016 #21

That's because they are not terrorists (Yet). NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #23

They are doing this over both points ii. and iii MohRokTah Jan 2016 #28

But not the first part - Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #30

They violated federal law when they illegally entered and held the federal building. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #33

Acts dangerous to human life? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #34

Armed and threatening violence MohRokTah Jan 2016 #35

Kay. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #36

They're terrorist, they're not threating to tickle people with their guns uponit7771 Jan 2016 #51

Sigh. The term has (had) a clear definition. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #54

Seeing your point here davekriss Jan 2016 #63

It is annoying. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #67

Please distinguish standing in the middle of an interstate highway jberryhill Jan 2016 #52

I guess you miss the import of the use of "or" here davekriss Jan 2016 #39

What are you reading? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #40

B (iii), which is proceeded by the word, "or" davekriss Jan 2016 #43

You have to also meet clauses A and C. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #45

They are trespassing while armed davekriss Jan 2016 #48

Not under federal law. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #50

You again miss use of the word, "or" davekriss Jan 2016 #56

Acts that are dangerous to human life. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #57

Yes, one could make your argument davekriss Jan 2016 #61

We didn't use deadly force in the highway protests NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #62

See my reply to you up thread. :) davekriss Jan 2016 #64

Yes, the word loses meaning davekriss Jan 2016 #66

On that we do agree. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #68

perhaps if the occupy movement had been well armed they would still have their camps dembotoz Jan 2016 #25

Re Rightwing Credo: THEY MUST DIE. Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #27

Not 200. Not 100. Not 50. Multiple reports put the number at no more than 15 cali Jan 2016 #29

I guess when they finally leave they'll meet at Denny's.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #42

LOL! Yep, no doubt!!! RKP5637 Jan 2016 #77

I believe you are correct. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #31

Fox "News" would be demanding military action. tabasco Jan 2016 #37

They keep this up and someday we'll see Waco in the same way that we now view Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #44

just send in federal marshals wendylaroux Jan 2016 #74

This incident happened precisely because CanonRay Jan 2016 #76

Exactly, and our guvmint is repeating the same mistake, further emboldening more 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #78

If the Feds won't do anything CanonRay Jan 2016 #79

Yep. That's exactly what is playing out here. Very eye-opening 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #81

Your post is right on Renew Deal Jan 2016 #80

Thank you. As I just posted on another string .. The M$M and law enforcement are sending a message 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #82

The Oregon man and his son convicted of arson want nothing applegrove Jan 2016 #91

Yes, that's a well-known fact, and it changes nothing, including the deluded minds 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #94

These right wingers should be arrested rockfordfile Jan 2016 #98

So you think Obama would order a raid on BLM activists? NobodyHere Jan 2016 #100

Good point, but there's more to it. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #101

So you feel like the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing only applies to people of color? 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #102

It's not a fair game. I never said that. Nor do I believe it. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #105

Thank you for clarifying your thoughts on this travesty. That is helpful, to a point.. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #106

So, if a group of protesters decided to occupy Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #104