General Discussion

MBS

(9,688 posts)

5. I agree.

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:30 AM

Dec 2015

I think he's really gone round the bend.
Notice that the New Yorker (which has very diligent fact-checkers) won't publish this latest stuff of his.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

113 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Seymour Hersh: US knowingly armed ISIS [View all] chalmers Dec 2015 OP

I've felt that in my bones libodem Dec 2015 #1

Me too! I don't trust Putin in Eastern Euroe or countries that used to be part of Russia, but I JDPriestly Dec 2015 #104

Fucking hell! onecaliberal Dec 2015 #2

Hersh is a polite version of Alex Jones these days. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #3

I agree. MBS Dec 2015 #5

And Helen Thomas ABANDONED UPI for very good reason, too--they're as flaky as Hersch is. nt MADem Dec 2015 #30

I have to agree with you there.... FarPoint Dec 2015 #61

I haven't seen a sourced story by him in years sharp_stick Dec 2015 #48

I guess you'd only believe it if nyabingi Dec 2015 #51

You're right. Nyan Dec 2015 #56

Yeah, they can't get Bernie to be a cheerleader nyabingi Dec 2015 #58

This started when Hillary was Sec of State. WDIM Dec 2015 #4

You honestly believe Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama geek tragedy Dec 2015 #6

Turkey is our NATO ally and Turkey armed and aided ISIL - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #10

You clearly don't know much about US history chalmers Dec 2015 #12

No, I'm just not an Alex-Jones conspiracy nutter geek tragedy Dec 2015 #13

LOL chalmers Dec 2015 #17

You and Alex Jones can chuckle all you want geek tragedy Dec 2015 #18

Hersh's claims are born out by history of American foreign policy priorities, Nyan Dec 2015 #47

Very good analysis nyabingi Dec 2015 #57

good post G_j Dec 2015 #89

your ad hominem attack only proves your ignorance TheSarcastinator Dec 2015 #71

Read more carefully. The JCS said that aid to ISIS is a foreseeable consequence not the intent leveymg Dec 2015 #22

Not to worry, though. Zbig Brzezinski said that the 2,900 American lives lost on 9-11 were KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #34

Zbig probably endorsed MIC hero chapdrum Dec 2015 #72

Yeah, they both seem cut from the same bolt of cloth, don't they? Weirdly, Zbig was serving KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #75

That's a fairly noncontroversial point--Obama himself was very reluctant to start arming people geek tragedy Dec 2015 #39

Foreseen consequences are really the same as "knowingly: leveymg Dec 2015 #65

I was going to post that it is sad that we can't turn back time and react differently, karynnj Dec 2015 #50

Perhaps the US should reconsider being Mercs to the House of Saud. PeoViejo Dec 2015 #76

Barack Obama fired Petraeus and graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation leveymg Dec 2015 #24

Petraeus was in deep trouble over putting secret info on his personal computer and showing karynnj Dec 2015 #46

Publicly, she equivocated about leaving State for several months leveymg Dec 2015 #73

One of the main things they did after Gaddafi nyabingi Dec 2015 #52

she hand carried weapons to them dlwickham Dec 2015 #102

The U.S. has a long and storied tradition of picking sides in other countries' KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #7

ISIS is fighting against our side in Iraq. geek tragedy Dec 2015 #14

But ISIS is also fighing against our adversary in Syria (Assad). That is KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #15

US priority is stabilizing Iraq as opposed to removing geek tragedy Dec 2015 #20

ISIS is almost exclusively Sunni; Iran and the puppets in Iraq are almost KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #23

Not true. nyabingi Dec 2015 #60

Adversary? Fuddnik Dec 2015 #54

'Adversary' in the sense that Assad is Putin's ally and thus our KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #55

Orwell was an optimist. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #67

I think the McCain story was debunked Oilwellian Dec 2015 #77

This is almost the reverse of Iroquois position during "the Old French War" happyslug Dec 2015 #78

Absolutely! This has been known for a long time. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #8

Interesting that the DIA and Joint Chiefs advised against US involvement rather than a hawkish pampango Dec 2015 #9

The best allies of the US in that region are Israel and KSA, both want Assad out. GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #11

Where in the Yahoo.com article you cite does it say "The US refused"? red dog 1 Dec 2015 #97

This goes back a month or two now to when the Russians started bombing GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #98

"This goes back a month or two now to when the Russians started bombing"?? red dog 1 Dec 2015 #99

This is Hersh's real story - regime change over stopping terrorism - and this names the source. leveymg Dec 2015 #16

Flynn was a big opponent of the Iran nuclear deal, he's all over the place nt geek tragedy Dec 2015 #26

There is a coherent logic to his views, but it ignores some fundamental truths leveymg Dec 2015 #84

..! n/t KoKo Dec 2015 #74

Wait a sec. What does SputnikNews think? randome Dec 2015 #19

Before or after Abu Ghraib? Before or after My Lai? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #25

It was never more apparent than when he said the Bin Laden raid was a 'fairy tale'. randome Dec 2015 #29

So you will give him credit for My Lai and Abu Ghraib, I take it? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #31

Of course. There's no denying he did some great reporting in the past. randome Dec 2015 #33

You'd better hope those supplemental photos and videos of Abu Ghraib never KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #35

I will give Hersh credit where credit is due. This is certainly not one of those times. randome Dec 2015 #41

If you have some special knowledge truebluegreen Dec 2015 #42

And you believe the military version of events nyabingi Dec 2015 #66

Oh, spare us the attack the messenger sophistry. Hersh's source isn't RT- it's the DIA/Joint Chiefs leveymg Dec 2015 #28

The messenger, in this case, allows his anger to cloud his judgment. randome Dec 2015 #32

But the facts reported are now confirmed to be 100 perc legitimate leveymg Dec 2015 #70

His Anger??? Caretha Dec 2015 #109

that article only says they were arming rebel groups treestar Dec 2015 #21

I'm so channeling Dave Mason right about now: "There ain't no good guy, there KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #27

Arm both sides? What a great money-making idea! jalan48 Dec 2015 #36

See Reagan and the Iran-Iraq War for the template. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #37

The folks who want peace aren't asking for more ammo. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #38

Duh... Nyan Dec 2015 #40

War is a racket. nt valerief Dec 2015 #43

war is a racket sweetapogee Dec 2015 #91

that would be wholly unsurprising stupidicus Dec 2015 #44

Is that the Friend of my enemy, enemy of my friend, enemy of enemy, stategy? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #45

LOL! Not to be confused with Westmoreland's "Light at the End of the Tunnel" KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #49

Hersh's reporting lacks something to be desired: evidence. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #53

Here you go killbotfactory Dec 2015 #59

Salafism has traditionally been non-political and non-violent. pnwmom Dec 2015 #63

It's evidence of stupidity on the U.S.'s side AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #79

Hindsight is always 20/20. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #82

Why does anyone believe this???? There is nothing onecent Dec 2015 #62

It is believable in every sense of the word nyabingi Dec 2015 #69

ISIS is in retreat Kaleva Dec 2015 #83

In Iraq. Nyan Dec 2015 #86

US forces helped drive ISIS out of Kobane which is in Syria Kaleva Dec 2015 #87

Sure air strikes here and there and intelligence support etc. Nyan Dec 2015 #100

It wasn't just airstikes "here and there". Kaleva Dec 2015 #113

Of course they're retreating now nyabingi Dec 2015 #94

I thought we were done with Hersh?? Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #64

They must be trolls in the pay of Vladmir Putin! betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #68

Hersh gets a lot of things right . . FairWinds Dec 2015 #80

Hersh has a character Nyan Dec 2015 #85

word. KG Dec 2015 #90

Wouldn't be the first time Matrosov Dec 2015 #81

. Separation Dec 2015 #88

we also armed Saddam Hussein before killing him. to those who don't believe Obama and Clinton Doctor_J Dec 2015 #92

word. MIC cares nothing about where their wares end up. KG Dec 2015 #93

"we also armed Saddam Hussein before killing him" EX500rider Dec 2015 #103

We armed him before that, when he was our ally in the fight against Iran Doctor_J Dec 2015 #105

No, he did it with German help. EX500rider Dec 2015 #106

. Doctor_J Dec 2015 #107

lol..that's your proof...a picture of handshaking? EX500rider Dec 2015 #108

So you don't believe Saddam was our ally right before he was our sworn enemy? Doctor_J Dec 2015 #111

Ally-no...we just didn't want Iran to win. EX500rider Dec 2015 #112

more: EX500rider Dec 2015 #110

"I felt that they did not want to hear the truth." pa28 Dec 2015 #95

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Dec 2015 #96

He doesn't believe they are moderates betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #101