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longship

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13. Here is Lewis' explanation of how it worked.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 07:30 PM
Dec 2015

Again, it is Eisman and Wing Chau, probably the most important scene in the book .

There is a reason why Greg Lippmann had picked Wing Chau to sit beside Steve Eisman. If Wing Chai detected Eisman's disapproval, he didn't show it; instead he spoke to Eisman in a tone of condescension. I know better. "Then he says something that blew my mind," Eisman said. "He says, 'I love guys like you who short my market. Without you I don't have anything to buy.'"

Say that again.

"He says to me, 'The more excited you get that you're right, the more trades you'll do, and the more trades you do, the more product for me.'"

That is when Eisman finally understood the madness of the machine. He and Vinny and Danny had been making these side bets with Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank on the fate of the Triple-B tranche of subprime mortgage-backed bonds without fully understanding why those firms were so eager to accept them. Now he was face-to-face with the actual human being on the other side of his credit default swaps. Now he got it: the credit default swaps, filtered through the CDOs, were being used to replicate bonds backed by actual home loans. There weren't enough Americans with shitty credit taking out loans to satisfy investors' appetite for the end product. Wall Street needed his bets in order to synthesize more of them. "They weren't satisfied getting lots of unqualified borrowers to borrow money to buy a house they couldn't afford," said Eisman. "They were creating them out of whole cloth. One hundred times over! That's why the losses in the financial system are so much greater than just the subprime loans. That's when I realized that they needed us to keep the machine running. I was like, This is allowed?"

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The Big Short Movie [View all] shadowmayor Dec 2015 OP
I've been thinking about going to see it. cwydro Dec 2015 #1
You need to see it. See how HRC's friends looted the 99% for 5 trillion dollars and rhett o rick Jan 2016 #24
I am planning on seeing this movie Gothmog Dec 2015 #2
Lot of good movies. Bridge of Spies, Spotlight, and Trumbo still_one Dec 2015 #3
Trifecta of Outrage shadowmayor Dec 2015 #5
Happy holidays to everyone also still_one Dec 2015 #17
Trumbo was good... lame54 Dec 2015 #8
Speaking of the The Big Short.... Brother Buzz Dec 2015 #4
I'll be going after I heard Terri Gross' interview of the maker of the film Proserpina Dec 2015 #6
Maybe that is why Zuckerman's work did not make it. longship Dec 2015 #12
Here is Lewis' explanation of how it worked. longship Dec 2015 #13
That was the meeting, if I recall correctly... Whiskeytide Dec 2015 #15
Yup! Here is how Lewis tells it. longship Dec 2015 #16
Thanks for that piece. Listening to Fresh Air there seemed to be a disconnect MinM Dec 2015 #22
That said.. MinM Jan 2016 #23
I've seen it NastyRiffraff Dec 2015 #7
i also recommend an old book b kevin philips. american theocracy. pt 1 & 3, part 2 is what killed it pansypoo53219 Dec 2015 #11
Steve fucking Eisman! longship Dec 2015 #9
The author said in the Terri Gross interview that if a person asked, his name was not used Proserpina Dec 2015 #20
Here's the trailer. Looks good. longship Dec 2015 #10
Still Amazing colsohlibgal Dec 2015 #14
I'm sorry, what's wrong with Japan and the Olympics? miyazaki Dec 2015 #18
What a little radiation? shadowmayor Dec 2015 #19
I should have known better. Sorry I even bumped the post. n/t miyazaki Dec 2015 #21
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