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In reply to the discussion: Bravo Chris Hayes !!!! [View all]

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
52. it's a good academic discussion
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:29 PM
May 2012

But, it is not worth starting a controversy among people who are naturally offended because of their personal relationships with, status as veterans, or even their personal construct of patriotism.

The concrete emotion that comes with what happens in the actual theater of war can not be fully understood by all parties- particularly non participants. The veterans I have talked with speak of very specific personal feelings and experiences. It is extremely painful for most of them.
Classifying veterans as heroes is a way we have found to help validate participants who have lived through terrible experiences. For some, it comes in spite of what they have lived through. I think that it is worth remembering that someone else was not there involuntarily because of them.

Our objections are worthy of debate, but not in a context that devalues or hurts the people who understand this at an entirely different, very painful level.

Bravo Chris Hayes !!!! [View all] marmar May 2012 OP
Not Bravo because while I understand the point he... hrmjustin May 2012 #1
Should all soldiers, regardless of nationality and situation, who have been fallen be labeled Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #9
you have a point but all people will hear is... hrmjustin May 2012 #12
In the final analysis Shankapotomus May 2012 #2
War is human nature... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #3
No. War is sub-human nature Shankapotomus May 2012 #4
When was the last time that happened again? Cave_Johnson May 2012 #13
Peace is Possible Shankapotomus May 2012 #17
Not very up on your history are you? 207 years worth of human peace. stevenleser May 2012 #58
Couple of things.. Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #59
I disagree totally lunatica May 2012 #5
Yes, I recall a drill instructor saying that it's HARD to get soldiers used to the idea Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #10
Wants? facetious_badger May 2012 #29
Thanks for deliberately? misunderstanding Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #56
War facetious_badger May 2012 #31
So you're a warmonger lunatica May 2012 #37
And you're a moron leftynyc May 2012 #38
Another warmonger? lunatica May 2012 #42
Yawn leftynyc May 2012 #44
Ugh facetious_badger May 2012 #48
Don't let assholes chase you away leftynyc May 2012 #50
Agreed facetious_badger May 2012 #51
And the phonies just make the leftynyc May 2012 #54
I Don't buy it whatchamacallit May 2012 #6
You are half right... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #14
You assume power Shankapotomus May 2012 #18
Doesn't matter... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #19
Violence surely exists Shankapotomus May 2012 #26
Actually, it can't be bred out Mairead May 2012 #46
Instinct facetious_badger May 2012 #30
Yes, sociopaths will pop up from time to time Shankapotomus May 2012 #35
Does "kunlangeta" sound familiar? If not, do a search. Mairead May 2012 #47
Nope. Most of the people of the world, throughout history, never experience war. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #7
Well put. whatchamacallit May 2012 #8
Your source? facetious_badger May 2012 #32
History is helpful. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #33
Proof of what? Zoeisright May 2012 #34
Flat wrong. But trying justify one's own inhumanity certainly does seem to be. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #24
You're wrong, you know Mairead May 2012 #40
Every war or occupation we've conducted was inevitable...? Marr May 2012 #49
Bonobos, mankind's closest relative Bonobo May 2012 #55
You should not worship peace any more than you should worship war. facetious_badger May 2012 #27
You're confusing learned behaviors with innate ones Mairead May 2012 #41
He's being crucified on right wing blogs proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #11
That's a sure fire sign that he's successful lunatica May 2012 #15
It was a stupid thing to say on Memorial Day leftynyc May 2012 #39
He picked the wrong time to say this. RebelOne May 2012 #16
That depends lunatica May 2012 #22
Hardly facetious_badger May 2012 #28
I'm not jumping off that hyperbolic cliff with you lunatica May 2012 #36
Nazis shipped people off to the gulag Capt. Obvious May 2012 #45
i'll take "stupid shit to say that turns people off to liberals" for $1000, alex. dionysus May 2012 #20
I think the timing is perfect lunatica May 2012 #23
BINGO dadchef May 2012 #53
I didn't see the discussion, but I have to admit I felt a little cringy when I read what he said renate May 2012 #21
I can't disagree more with what you say lunatica May 2012 #25
Apparently, it's okay, sort of, to be against war gratuitous May 2012 #43
it's a good academic discussion loyalsister May 2012 #52
Bad timing... ellisonz May 2012 #57
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