Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)

11. A conundrum

Reply to hack89 (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:05 PM

Dec 2015

This issue is a real conundrum for progressives. Typically, the no fly list isn't very popular. It's an extra-legal process that takes away a persons freedom, and really to some extent without notice or explanation. The process for getting off is very long and difficult. And there's a real "guilty until proven innocent".

The conundrum for progressives is that the right wing is real fond of the list, right up until someone wants to talk about restricting weapons access with it. Then it is the most horrible thing in the world.

Progressives can't help but have a touch of fun with that, but in the end we tend to realize that its the list that is the problem, not the desire to keep guns out of the hands of the whack jobs.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

28 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Should people on the no-fly list be able to buy guns? Yes. [View all] hack89 Dec 2015 OP

I'd be ok with this if we knew the list was 100 percent accurate. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #1

So you are fine with no due process? hack89 Dec 2015 #3

I don't endnote know the requirements for getting on the list yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #5

If they are that bad they should be in the criminal justice system hack89 Dec 2015 #6

One of the ways of getting on those lists is having either the same name, or a similiar name. GGJohn Dec 2015 #8

True beltanefauve Dec 2015 #14

What other rights should we strip away at the same time??? ileus Dec 2015 #2

It never ceases to amaze me that some progressives are wholly against the Bush era secret govt lists GGJohn Dec 2015 #4

Hypocrisy? More like evil brilliance. Dr. Strange Dec 2015 #15

Finally some common sense from the media on this topic tularetom Dec 2015 #7

No it does not make any sense, just safeinOhio Dec 2015 #9

Another person in need of a civics class and the role of the judiciary. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #10

A conundrum zipplewrath Dec 2015 #11

Like getting into a squirting contest with a skunk: You will lose. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #18

abso-effin-lutly zipplewrath Dec 2015 #23

I'm glad to see the Times taking this position, and I agree that we should petronius Dec 2015 #12

But why the * is the no fly list okay to begen with? Johonny Dec 2015 #13

I am on a species of the no fly list. Or I was. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #16

You are not on the list, the other guy is. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #25

Nothing stops someone on that list from getting firearms from someone who isnt 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #17

Could you kindly link to the thread you started condemning the No Fly List itself? Darb Dec 2015 #19

I would support the no fly list if it was transparent and there was real due process hack89 Dec 2015 #20

So, your objections to the No Fly became public when it included tools of mass murder? Darb Dec 2015 #21

ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #22

Yeah, I frankly found that problematic Matariki Dec 2015 #24

If you are too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to be out of jail. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #26

I would like to see the no-fly list struck down as unconstitutional. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #27

Nope. deathrind Dec 2015 #28