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oldernwiser

(52 posts)
32. Really???
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:51 AM
May 2012

Sorry, but I have to take issue with you here. First, insurance companies have nothing to do with setting costs. They are the agents we have set up in order to pool our funds together and have the "social medicine" that Rush Limbaugh likes to prattle on about. Premiums are expensive for 2 reasons - health providers are charging more for their services, and not enough healthy individuals are subscribing. Simple as that. State law sets the rates for premiums which pretty much blows up the lack of competition argument. State law also prohibits health insurance companies from making a profit on premiums. It is in the insurance company's best interest to keep premiums as low as possible in order to retain subscribers. Any cash the insurers get comes from an administrative fee which is regulated by the state's insurance commissioner.

Second, competition would do next to nothing to keep a hospital's rates down. As it stands, private hospitals are indeed for-profit business ventures. However, public hospitals are mandated by law to accept patients regardless of their ability to pay. This means that when people visit the emergency room because they can't afford insurance or a regular doctor, those of us who have the ability to pay - either out of our pockets or through insurance - have to pick up the slack and pay a share of that burden. Loss of revenue causes loss of employment, just ask a nurse. Enough loss can cause a trauma center to close and shift it's patients to another - public - hospital causing MAJOR delays in treatment.

Business is business in both public and private hospitals. We pay for their payroll in both cases, but a private hospital has the luxury of requiring payment before service is rendered and only in this case does competition enter into the rates.

When You Trail Pakistan, Sir, In A Women's Rights Issue, You Have a Problem.... The Magistrate May 2012 #1
And DJ13 May 2012 #2
Saw the bill for my premature son back in 2004 abelenkpe May 2012 #9
There's too much profit-seeking in the hospital side of things. Selatius May 2012 #18
Really??? oldernwiser May 2012 #32
nobody who defends the insurance companies as blameless has any credibility CreekDog May 2012 #34
I'm sorry, but as far as competition in health insurance goes, there is simply no competition. Selatius May 2012 #35
Story in the LA Times 5/27/2012 Jake2413 May 2012 #48
We paid maybe $800 for a fancy private maternity suite Canuckistanian May 2012 #17
I take it. Men get even less. Sea-Dog May 2012 #3
Actually in Canada the wife and her spouse (at least in BC) can split the maternity leave. nt teddy51 May 2012 #4
They can everywhere in Canada. laundry_queen May 2012 #50
Oh, What a Ghastly, Put-Upon Horror it Is, Being a Man, Sir The Magistrate May 2012 #12
Castrated men live 10-15 years longer ErikJ May 2012 #24
You Must Be Lots Of Fun At Parties, Fella.... The Magistrate May 2012 #25
^^^ Too funny! LiberalAndProud May 2012 #26
you beat me to it! robinlynne May 2012 #27
Oh my... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #28
Really ... DoBotherMe May 2012 #52
yeah, they probably just don't know. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #58
Castrated cattle get more muscle bulk and grow larger csziggy May 2012 #59
Perhaps that scientist should castrate himself? Zalatix Jun 2012 #61
a genuine lol Sea-Dog May 2012 #31
heh. SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #47
WTF? Hissyspit May 2012 #41
Dads should have equal rights. Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #60
du rec. nt xchrom May 2012 #5
Another thing to thank the company that drove me nuts for 32 years for...... wandy May 2012 #6
We need to stop comparing ourselves to civilized "first world" nations. CBGLuthier May 2012 #7
We have rights? awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #29
Like the "right to work for less"? /nt mwb970 May 2012 #37
Like the "right to be fired for no good reason". And absolutely no recourse. SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #49
And so much of our current really, really bad parenting starts JDPriestly May 2012 #8
"...not emotionally present..." chervilant May 2012 #40
Hey! That's what makes America so exceptional! tanyev May 2012 #10
Yes, it's the land of opportunity EXCEPT for women, people of race, non-heterosexuals, disabled, valerief May 2012 #20
That of course is statutory maternity leave. mwooldri May 2012 #11
Pakistanis hate us for our freedoms whatchamacallit May 2012 #13
I believe Sweden is the most generous..... Swede Atlanta May 2012 #14
Who has to pay them? metalbot May 2012 #44
Here in Canada laundry_queen May 2012 #51
Do you run a small business? DoBotherMe May 2012 #54
during the 80`s my wife and i had our own business madrchsod May 2012 #55
In addition to leave Beowulf May 2012 #15
That is certainly true in Sweden..... Swede Atlanta May 2012 #16
A major reason the whitey righties (I like that name for them) Mariana May 2012 #36
+1,000. nt BlueIris May 2012 #39
Yes. We're way behind on a lot of things in the US. nt valerief May 2012 #19
USA, USA, USA, rah, rah!... fascisthunter May 2012 #21
I think they place a higher priority Ilsa May 2012 #22
We only care about fetuses... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #30
Look Further dynasaw May 2012 #23
my older danish epal came over to USa for a 3 week vacation. pansypoo53219 May 2012 #33
What a fucking shock. nt BlueIris May 2012 #38
We're pretty far behind a lot of Europe in terms of mass transit too deutsey May 2012 #42
Great that all those social democracies can promote progressive policies and compete in the global pampango May 2012 #43
In America we only care about what's best for the child Tsiyu May 2012 #45
Well that's just 'uniquely American' ya know? SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #46
Which developed country doesn't have universal healthcare? A: the US. nt Romulox May 2012 #53
If the GOPT get there way - coming to a workplace near you......... Smilo May 2012 #56
Yep. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #57
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