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Tue May 29, 2012, 07:36 PM

79. Taking over 'other cities public parks'? Who did that?

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Do you know what the laws said about Zuccotti Park for instance? Did you know why OWS chose that particular park to occupy? Are you aware that in many cities the laws did permit the occupiers to do what they were doing and that in some cases worked with the police to make sure laws were being abided by?

That argument is from the far right, a Hannity argument, refuted many times, but who expects that to stop Hannity from repeating it? I don't think you want to be doing that here where we look for facts.

The problem is you have made so many statements, like this one, that are inaccurate, that either this is a story you are not familiar with, or you simply don't like the idea of this Social Justice movement, which is fine. Most Social Justice movements were not welcomed when they occurred, this one was far more popular than most.

But then you continue to make the old 'false equivalency' argument when it becomes impossible to deny the behavior of the cops: 'they both do it' when the evidence overwhelmingly proves this to be false. Another media trick, in case you were not aware.

But let's settle that 'moral equivalency' argument here. Please provide a list of injured citizens or cops that is equal to the number of nearly killed, badly injured, falsely arrested peaceful occupiers, as a result of police brutality, that were caused by Occupiers. After I see this list, then I will give some credibility to your 'moral equivalency' arguments. But that won't happen. Because it simply isn't true.

The brutality of the cops across the country has been carefully documented since this movement began. Occupy organizers carefully planned for the lies they knew would be told, or the false equivalency arguments that would be made to cover the cops. It has also been documented by Organizations that track Human Rights abuses, the UN eg, Reporters Without Borders, Civil Liberties organizations to name a few. There simply is no point in using that 'false equivalency' argument.

And now, yet another OWS case has been thrown out of court, because once again, the cops LIED, under oath. And because as I just pointed out, Occupiers were prepared for cops to lie AND make false arrests by recording every thing they could. By having legal observers and video-graphers documenting every arrest.

And there will be more. Because most of those arrests were FALSE arrests. Three in a row thrown out of court, the first three to make it to court so far.

As for the 'terror' case, what do YOU know about that? Did you read what a former FBI agent who used to do this kind of work, he called it 'entrapment', had to say about that case? Not to mention, like the above cases I mentioned where I am sure you would have implied those protersters were guilty just because they were arrested, that questionable case has not even gone to court yet, yet you appear to have made a decision about it.

Of course even if the whole plot was an FBI plot, as their attorneys allege, as the former FBI agent said, 'it won't matter if they are innocent, the idea is to 'taint the movement, I know, I did it, and there will be more'!

So, now we have a string of cases being thrown out of court one after the other, because of false arrests and cops lying under oath. WHAT should we do about this?

Is that the kind of system of justice you want for this country? And no, it is NOT a 'few bad apples' it is WIDESPREAD. And because of the brilliance of the organizers of this movement and a few good whistle-blower cops, all of the corruption is being EXPOSED. That is what you are seeing.

I will await your list of OWS brutality towards other citizens and/or cops that compares to the tens of thousands of documented incidents of brutality against citizens by the cops.

I know I am safe to ask this question. Because the ratio is probably Cops = 99% Protesters 1% so far.

So to even attempt to equate the two is utterly futile and a waste of everyone's time. Leave that 'false equivalency' garbage to the Corporate Media, and even they have to be careful in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. This movement is Global, there are millions of people involved in it. So even if a few incidents are true, then this is one of the most peaceful movements of its size ever.

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