Predominately the discussions centers around Muslims rather than Islam. (Reply #140)

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:05 PM

cpwm17 (3,829 posts)

140. Predominately the discussions centers around Muslims rather than Islam.

As an atheist, I have no love for Islam, or any other religion. I don't understand religious thinking or why religion should be admired.

But the discussions generally center around the behavior of Muslims. Muslims are people. All evidence indicates that they are not uniquely bad or more prone to violence. They tend to be rather conservative, which isn't my cop of tea, but beyond that, they are pretty much like most people in this world.

One major difference: Muslims are uniquely vilified:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/eye-opening-graphic-map-of-muslim-countries-that-the-u-s-and-israel-have-bombed/

This “three-decade war for domination of the Middle East” becomes apparent when we consider how many Muslim countries the peace-loving United States and her “stalwart ally” Israel have bombed:...

Under Barack Obama, the U.S. is currently bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya. According to some reports (see here and here), we can add Iran to this ever-expanding list. [Update: An Informed Comment reader named Shannon pointed out that in fact the United States bombed Iran in 1988 during Operating Praying Mantis, an act that “cannot be justified” according to the International Court of Justice.]

Thanks to American arms and funding, our “stalwart ally” Israel has bombed every single one of its neighbors, including Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. Israel has also bombed Tunisia and Iraq (how many times can Americans and Israelis bomb this country?).

The total number of Muslim countries that America and Israel have bombed comes to fourteen: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Iran, Sudan, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Tunisia.

There have been throughout my entire life efforts to dehumanize Muslims in the US. It has been very successful. The US treats them like cannon fodder. Various pro-war interests like the results.

It's strange that many people that support US aggressive wars or politicians that support aggressive wars complain that Muslims are particularly violent. Self awareness is a virtue, American exceptionalism is not.

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173 replies	Author	Time	Post
Many Liberals Defend Islam the Way Conservatives Defend Guns [View all]	ericson00	Nov 2015	OP
Reality check: Islam is not progressive	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#1
I know christians who are a hell of a lot more progressive than some of the people on DU.	CBGLuthier	Nov 2015	#4
Well, from the start, Christianity is so illogical you can do whatever with it	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#7
and Judaism and Islam are not?	whathehell	Nov 2015	#55
I've done it plenty of times	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#58
Yes	whathehell	Nov 2015	#73
I just wish more so called liberals	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#74
My sentiments exactly.	whathehell	Nov 2015	#75
Just look at	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#78
Couldn't agree more.	Waiting For Everyman	Nov 2015	#87
Do it plenty. They're all factless fairy tales.	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#77
Funny how I keep hearing about all this "I do it plenty"	whathehell	Nov 2015	#81
Are you and whatthehey related? Cousins or brothers? nt	tblue37	Nov 2015	#168
No, not at all. n/t	whathehell	Nov 2015	#173
Judaism, Islam and Christianity	itcfish	Nov 2015	#84
Fine...I think.you should test that	whathehell	Nov 2015	#85
I posted a thread just yesterday asking some help understanding some text	snooper2	Nov 2015	#92
I get your point, but	whathehell	Nov 2015	#109
Don't worry: I'm an equal opportunity religion basher	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#130
And what religion was Stalin promoting?	jberryhill	Nov 2015	#151
They were promoting Communism, a secular dogma which happened to be anti-theist	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#153
Don't conflate "progressive" with "liberal."	MADem	Nov 2015	#54
I don't know the difference between those two terms.	Mister Ed	Nov 2015	#63
well said	ericson00	Nov 2015	#14
There are historical differences, but	Buzz cook	Nov 2015	#154
The mythical special privilege granted to Islam strikes again.	cpwm17	Nov 2015	#86
No. the millions of good muslims are good people, period	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#135
Predominately the discussions centers around Muslims rather than Islam.	cpwm17	Nov 2015	#140
The discussion centers about Islam?? Xian fundies are regularly pilloried here	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#142
Christianity is the dominate religion in the US	cpwm17	Nov 2015	#144
Agree	get the red out	Nov 2015	#99
As you should be	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#137
Because every single Muslim is a saud. They all are the same. Yeah, bullshit.	CBGLuthier	Nov 2015	#2
Shoving words into other's mouths	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#71
How is repeating the argument a person is making, "shoving words in their mouth"	kcr	Nov 2015	#126
Nowhere in that post	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#161
To a extent I agree	rockfordfile	Nov 2015	#138
1.8 BILLION Muslims in this world	Binkie The Clown	Nov 2015	#3
I do hope you did not hurt your ass when you pulled this "statistic" out	CBGLuthier	Nov 2015	#5
He's quoting from the Pew poll.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#11
I'm sure you can expect	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#59
some polling specifically on Syrian refugees	Angel Martin	Nov 2015	#100
Very interesting. Thanks.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#139
Spot on	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#6
I wonder if this post will get alerted	Ex Lurker	Nov 2015	#9
I'll risk it: that post was insisting on free speech	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#13
feel better by posting this	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#16
Yes, the Paris attack does "feel big and bad"	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#17
Would you support banning religions	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#23
I support undermining religion by education	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#24
Ok	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#27
The Bible (OT+NT) states absurd facts and supports slavery	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#31
What relgion was he practicing ?	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#36
Do you currently have a Christian kingdom financing Christian extremism	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#39
HUH?	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#40
I don't know and I don't care	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#43
Mock religon all you want its your right	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#45
Well, I'd take arms to defend you from a Dylan Roof	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#47
As most issues, it's not all black and white	safeinOhio	Nov 2015	#57
Besides the United States?	Buzz cook	Nov 2015	#155
afaik, the US is a secular country with a secular Constitution	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#160
The US is a secular country	Buzz cook	Nov 2015	#163
No. Constitution, government and public opinion trump President.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#165
Do you have an issue	Ford F-150	Nov 2015	#19
None at all	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#21
Racism should be ridiculed. Offending religion is perfectly fine.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#26
I see	Truprogressive85	Nov 2015	#30
Where did I say that?	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#34
Where did the poster write anything about	Ford F-150	Nov 2015	#38
Flag on the play.	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#114
Yes...racist speech is protected	Ford F-150	Nov 2015	#37
For what it's worth	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#60
What if some issues a fatwa against DU...	Jesus Malverde	Nov 2015	#66
Nope	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#67
Come on lefty by now you should know	Jesus Malverde	Nov 2015	#68
Oy - sorry	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#70
I have the feeling we share some views.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#141
That's nice to hear	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#162
Agreed 100%	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#112
Islam is an oppressive religion no doubt just like most religions.	Kalidurga	Nov 2015	#8
A stone shy of stoning them to death?	TexasMommaWithAHat	Nov 2015	#103
'Cuz we don't let 'em.	Iggo	Nov 2015	#104
They marginalize and blame rape victims	Kalidurga	Nov 2015	#111
You can't argue with the fact that a LOT of Xtian sects are super misogynistic and repressive.	Arugula Latte	Nov 2015	#134
I don't buy "over the centuries"	TexasMommaWithAHat	Nov 2015	#146
+1000	smirkymonkey	Nov 2015	#10
as a Hillary supporter, I'd never thought	ericson00	Nov 2015	#22
Count me in as another staunch Bernie supporter	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#115
No major religion is progressive, but...	TreasonousBastard	Nov 2015	#12
the difference is this:	ericson00	Nov 2015	#15
Of course, but the point is not to defend...	TreasonousBastard	Nov 2015	#29
I suspect part of it is due to innocent people in the US being subjects of hate crimes.	herding cats	Nov 2015	#18
I agree-- we progreessives have become accustomed to defend groups that are discriminated against...	TreasonousBastard	Nov 2015	#32
That may be a part of it.	Behind the Aegis	Nov 2015	#41
Defending all of Islam?	herding cats	Nov 2015	#117
From that FBI report:	Bluenorthwest	Nov 2015	#90
There's only one bias there I admit I've missed.	herding cats	Nov 2015	#119
Undeniable?	shadowmayor	Nov 2015	#20
!	ronnie624	Nov 2015	#25
Were the islamist attacks in China caused by US policy?	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#28
Kill a Commie for Mommy	shadowmayor	Nov 2015	#35
Can't blame the west for	leftynyc	Nov 2015	#61
The US, a Christian majority nation	cpwm17	Nov 2015	#83
Your fallacy is the same as that blaming Hitler on atheism	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#133
"the culture of Islam" such as is found in Albania and Indonesia?	geek tragedy	Nov 2015	#33
each has suffered serious jihadist attacks	ericson00	Nov 2015	#48
The premise is utter bullshit.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#42
No: ideologies can generate violence	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#44
Congratulations on missing the point. I can see it was a herculean effort on your point.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#46
Not sure what point I'm missing.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#50
All of them, actually.	Scootaloo	Nov 2015	#52
I agree to defend people, Muslim or not, unjustly attacked for whatever reason	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#53
Thought you should know.	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2015	#49
Thanks for the info. Alerters are relentless.	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#51
Islamic law forbids terrorism	Mnpaul	Nov 2015	#143
Thank you	uppityperson	Nov 2015	#145
Is Juan Cole joking?	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#147
Hitchens?	Mnpaul	Nov 2015	#148
Hitch was wrong on Iraq and Cole is wrong on Islam	Yorktown	Nov 2015	#149
I'm guessing that you missed the disclaimer at the top	Mnpaul	Nov 2015	#150
Republicans are people, too	oberliner	Nov 2015	#62
Good point!	smirkymonkey	Nov 2015	#164
the culture is Islam	treestar	Nov 2015	#56
When everyone should defend both.	ileus	Nov 2015	#64
Wow, I can't believe this thread.	Nonhlanhla	Nov 2015	#65
I like pie…	MrScorpio	Nov 2015	#69
Technically, not pie charts - more like Venn diagrams!	bullwinkle428	Nov 2015	#79
I can dig it nt	MrScorpio	Nov 2015	#152
...	SidDithers	Nov 2015	#72
Do you really want answers?	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#76
Many DU Members Bash Right Wing Christians Relentlessly	Democat	Nov 2015	#80
+1000.	whathehell	Nov 2015	#82
Again, Bullshit	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#89
Again, I call bullshit to you....	whathehell	Nov 2015	#95
How many examples do you want of this supposedly nonerxistent criticism of non-Xians?	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#120
As many as you can find	whathehell	Nov 2015	#159
How many will shut up your lies that it doesn't happen? I'm waiting...	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#166
enough is enough. Your point was made the first time. There is no rule that says someone has to	still_one	Nov 2015	#167
Ten days after bragging about all those "examples" you had and you have NOTHING, LOL?	whathehell	Nov 2015	#172
Did it ever occur to you that's because the religious people doing most of the damage in	Arugula Latte	Nov 2015	#136
My God!	itcfish	Nov 2015	#88
That "political group" sure acts likes a religious group...	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#94
They use religion	itcfish	Nov 2015	#102
And they kill people over solely religious reasons	whatthehey	Nov 2015	#121
Every. Word. True.	Octafish	Nov 2015	#107
I also agree	Oilwellian	Nov 2015	#118
Our local hospital has a Syrian physician...	Octafish	Nov 2015	#129
The culture of any conservative strain of religion is incompatible with progressivism.	Arkana	Nov 2015	#91
Most encouraging post in days here at DU.	earthside	Nov 2015	#93
To most in here.....Christianity is the only bad religion	davidn3600	Nov 2015	#96
Nobody Said	itcfish	Nov 2015	#97
Almost certainly bullshit.	Iggo	Nov 2015	#110
Nope. But it gets the most attention here because it does the most damage here.	Arugula Latte	Nov 2015	#132
They are all equally bad from my own point of view.	6000eliot	Nov 2015	#157
They are all equally bad from my own point of view.	6000eliot	Nov 2015	#158
Muslims are not uniquely violent:	cpwm17	Nov 2015	#98
Islam is a religion. A gun is a specifically designed deadly weapon.	Tommy_Carcetti	Nov 2015	#101
Religion is not inherently dangerous	Rebkeh	Nov 2015	#105
Religion IS inherently destructive and oppressive.	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#116
These books say all kinds of things,	Rebkeh	Nov 2015	#128
A killing machine and someones belief system are not equal.	Rex	Nov 2015	#106
what does Bill Maher know about being a liberal?	reddread	Nov 2015	#108
Exactly so. Maher has devolved into a world-class Islamophobe.	Paladin	Nov 2015	#125
True, and the hypocrisy stinks so badly	hifiguy	Nov 2015	#113
Bad Bad start to this article...	lame54	Nov 2015	#122
I am so fucking sick of labels.	Avalux	Nov 2015	#123
I think	qwlauren35	Nov 2015	#124
I'm confused. Liberals are bigoted against guns?	kcr	Nov 2015	#127
I don't hate Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, what have you ...	Arugula Latte	Nov 2015	#131
People assume that every person from a "Muslim" Nation is Muslim	Lorien	Nov 2015	#156
+1	loyalsister	Nov 2015	#169
Many pseudo-liberals and ignoramuses create false equivalences and	KingCharlemagne	Nov 2015	#170
Islam or the people who are harmed by rampan Islamaphobia in the US?	loyalsister	Nov 2015	#171

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