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backscatter712

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22. The problem with punishment is that it just doesn't work.
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:05 PM
May 2012

If it did, you'd think that the War on Drugs would be wildly successful, or that Texas would have the lowest murder rate in the country.

But the fact is that punishment gives the punisher a nice emotional buzz, like the one you were having when you wrote that post. Punishing a son-of-a-bitch feels GOOD! It makes you feel POWERFUL!, but aside from that, does nothing to deter crime.

Since we're imprisoning them, and since most of them are not serving life sentences, you'd think society would want these people to be able to function in a way that isn't destructive and antisocial, which implies rehabilitation. That means we would need prisons that are not gladiator schools. If rehabilitation isn't something you're willing to invest in, then the alternative is to give almost every prisoner a life sentence to protect the public.

We've discussed this prison with some regularity here at DU struggle4progress May 2012 #1
The way I see it, prisons have three purposes. backscatter712 May 2012 #4
What you lump under "punishment" involves many different theories, I think: struggle4progress May 2012 #7
If you start from the standpoint that anyone can be redeemed XemaSab May 2012 #2
i like that they're experimenting with alternatives to the dump-all-manner-of-abuse-on-them model. unblock May 2012 #3
I like this approach. maggiesfarmer May 2012 #6
Then, again, it's Norwegian beachfront, which may not command the high prices struggle4progress May 2012 #8
beachfront is still beachfront... more relevant perhaps is that norway has tons of oil money unblock May 2012 #17
you didn't get that they have a remarkably low cali May 2012 #5
It is a plus for society, but that's not the only factor to consider. Johnny Rico May 2012 #9
Good to know that you think our justice system is infallible.. Fumesucker May 2012 #11
When did I assert either of those statements? Documentation, please. Johnny Rico May 2012 #12
You want punishment for people convicted of crimes, not rehabilitation.. Fumesucker May 2012 #13
Anyone who thinks the justice system is perfectible is a naive foolish dreamer. Johnny Rico May 2012 #16
More punishment? In CA we spend more on them than our universities! CreekDog May 2012 #14
More punishment for *real* criminals, yes. Legalize all drugs. Johnny Rico May 2012 #15
this is exactly the kind of "desert" obsession i was referring to in post #3. unblock May 2012 #18
yeah, vengeance works so well. It's clear you don't give a flying fuck cali May 2012 #21
The problem with punishment is that it just doesn't work. backscatter712 May 2012 #22
My cousin, in his early 20's, was hit driving a moped by a small commercial truck Nikia May 2012 #23
On the other hand there's Joe Arpaio's prison example lunatica May 2012 #10
From the perspective of society what do you think is more cost effective nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #19
"If we get caught we're not going to white collar resort prison...." Initech May 2012 #20
Good for Norway. white_wolf May 2012 #24
They probably have no prison riots in this place jmowreader May 2012 #25
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