The single biggest factor is easy access to firearms for everyone. (Reply #68)

In the discussion thread: OK, who else is sick of the demonization of the mentally ill following shootings? [View all]

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Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:55 AM

alarimer (16,245 posts)

68. The single biggest factor is easy access to firearms for everyone.

We are completely unwilling to do what it takes, which is get rid of the fucking guns. Because of an erroneous interpretation of the Constitution. So gun nuts deflect the conversation to the "mentally ill" (which, if you ask me should also include those with an excessive gun fetish), which is a non-starter. They would never be capable of doings such things if we restricted the availability of guns.

But this is not something we are willing to do, so these things will continue to happen.

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103 replies	Author	Time	Post
OK, who else is sick of the demonization of the mentally ill following shootings? [View all]	backscatter712	Oct 2015	OP
By definition, a person who is capable and willing to shoot up a classroom...	TipTok	Oct 2015	#1
but that is a completely different case from the typical mental healthcare patient	paulkienitz	Oct 2015	#47
That's a good example of the classic strawman and the subtle dissembling shift from	HereSince1628	Oct 2015	#63
No one with "their ducks in a row" loves guns.	hunter	Oct 2015	#72
Your post was alerted.	MADem	Oct 2015	#100
Every time this happens it is the same story...someone	pipoman	Oct 2015	#2
And yet you seem to want to ignore the correlation of easy access to firearms	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#5
No, I recognize the reality of it...	pipoman	Oct 2015	#10
People would still have the desire. Just not the means.	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#14
It's not my work, it is constitutionally protected right with	pipoman	Oct 2015	#19
"The mentally ill" is a rather sweeping category	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#23
If they're peaceful and harmless they probably don't want guns anyway...	pipoman	Oct 2015	#26
Maybe they want a gun for the same reasons you do.	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#29
Violent people can't legally buy guns if they have a conviction	pipoman	Oct 2015	#32
...assuming the conviction gets in the NCIS database.	backscatter712	Oct 2015	#43
No, it's a recent rogue SCOTUS decision.	backscatter712	Oct 2015	#36
Agree there	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#39
the deadliest	lancer78	Oct 2015	#52
So are you proposing that guns should be banned altogether	TeddyR	Oct 2015	#101
Neither.	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#103
Should we ignore the correlation between	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#9
That isn't happening or likely, ignoring the mentally ill will not be acceptable	pipoman	Oct 2015	#13
+1	stage left	Oct 2015	#35
+1000	kairos12	Oct 2015	#91
I demonize those who manufacture, sell, and lobby for guns.	onehandle	Oct 2015	#3
I find that ridiculous	TeddyR	Oct 2015	#102
It's personal for me too, and I'm sick of it as well.	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#4
Wouldn't you rather be turned down for guns knowing it helps	yeoman6987	Oct 2015	#54
Now why don't you ask that question of the gun fanciers on DU?	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#59
Well there you go.	yeoman6987	Oct 2015	#66
I see more a minimization and/or trivializing of the seriousness of mental illness.	egduj	Oct 2015	#6
No, it's just that some of us don't like the stigmatization	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#16
It's not all about you. Should religious extremism not be condemned	snagglepuss	Oct 2015	#61
Wrong thread and wrong post.	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#64
I'm horrified by some suggestions	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#7
Now why shouldn't people with diagnosed mental illness	pipoman	Oct 2015	#15
You really want to deter people from seeking assistance with mental health issues?	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#18
A return to state facilities funded by feds	pipoman	Oct 2015	#21
So you want to lock up millions of people	Crunchy Frog	Oct 2015	#27
I love the liberty lovers	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#40
I can't support that.	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#34
+1 nt	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#41
Um, that should be modernized.	backscatter712	Oct 2015	#37
How about we tell the NRA Fuck You and lock them up in a prison. Gun nutosis should be diagnosed	whereisjustice	Oct 2015	#49
That wouldn't amend the constitution..	pipoman	Oct 2015	#70
Well, that and the ability to ban the CDC's research on particular health matters.	LanternWaste	Oct 2015	#92
It's odd the disparities in your prophetic absolutes.	LanternWaste	Oct 2015	#90
Oh please	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#20
Glad to see you get the point	pipoman	Oct 2015	#22
Oh dear I've gotten the point years ago	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#25
That is what I'm saying	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#24
The NICS already is supposed to include everyone who has been involuntary committed right now	pipoman	Oct 2015	#28
I understand that	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#38
yep	pipoman	Oct 2015	#42
Okay, you asked the question and I will answer from the	jwirr	Oct 2015	#75
That was a thoughtful response	pipoman	Oct 2015	#87
And on what you just said I agree. Just wanted you to know	jwirr	Oct 2015	#88
I believe we need to mandate accurate reporting of	pipoman	Oct 2015	#93
Where do YOU draw the line?	jen63	Oct 2015	#84
I think the line shouldn't be drawn at mental illness at all.	backscatter712	Oct 2015	#94
Here, you and the science agree.	backscatter712	Oct 2015	#73
It wasn't a mentally ill person that committed that shooting.	NuclearDem	Oct 2015	#8
Totally agree and I want to add that in general the Mentally ill have more to fear from us	LostOne4Ever	Oct 2015	#11
I agree. I think if mental illness is going to be the main focus,	pacalo	Oct 2015	#12
Anyone with depressive disorder would hurt themselves first	xfundy	Oct 2015	#17
Sadly, that is not entirely true.	TM99	Oct 2015	#53
Well... John Holmes did live on, so did Dylan Roof (sp?), so did Nidal Hasan	HereSince1628	Oct 2015	#69
I'm totally sick of it.	stage left	Oct 2015	#30
BTW, you might enjoy this podcast	randys1	Oct 2015	#79
Thanks, randys1	stage left	Oct 2015	#97
K&R	me b zola	Oct 2015	#86
I think it's the guns	libodem	Oct 2015	#31
I'm sick of the guns.	Iggo	Oct 2015	#33
I don't see demonization	KT2000	Oct 2015	#44
Yep. I've said it before, I'll say it again:	TygrBright	Oct 2015	#45
I read your link and I've got one word for it:	stage left	Oct 2015	#99
Mass killings are commited by people with guns. I think that is 100% causal relationship.	whereisjustice	Oct 2015	#46
Like Andreas Lubitz?	Nuclear Unicorn	Oct 2015	#67
The stigma is definitely real.	KyleMcShades	Oct 2015	#48
I submit since the NRA cares so much about mental health, they should be the first ones to be	whereisjustice	Oct 2015	#50
Good one...and true	randys1	Oct 2015	#80
There are far too many people taking medication for depression to use them as scapegoats....	Spitfire of ATJ	Oct 2015	#51
Mental Healthcare in the US needs an overhaul	clayton72	Oct 2015	#55
This particular notion has been so successfully put out by the right that the NRA	Vinca	Oct 2015	#56
Unless you're mentalling ill and trying to purchase a myriad of firearms to go and kill	btrflykng9	Oct 2015	#57
anything but the fucking gunz.	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2015	#58
I think it is a subject that needs to be addressed	Marrah_G	Oct 2015	#60
Hey, being demonized is the first step toward political power, in the US LGBT people are demonized	Bluenorthwest	Oct 2015	#62
Mental illness exists everywhere, in every country.	frustrated_lefty	Oct 2015	#65
The single biggest factor is easy access to firearms for everyone.	alarimer	Oct 2015	#68
I don't think they are demonized	treestar	Oct 2015	#71
K&R I think the problem is that when people use this term	jwirr	Oct 2015	#74
Personally, I Demonize Congress/Reagan	fredamae	Oct 2015	#76
Don't confuse opinions about Big Pharma and its wares with opinions on the patient.	WinkyDink	Oct 2015	#77
Me. nt	kelliekat44	Oct 2015	#78
The mental illness is a society that has more guns than people.	randys1	Oct 2015	#81
Yep. But anything to talk about other than the 300 million lethal portable hideable GUNS will do.	Fred Sanders	Oct 2015	#85
+1 nt	stage left	Oct 2015	#95
Me! Me!	KamaAina	Oct 2015	#82
Yup.	zappaman	Oct 2015	#83
Plenty of people here demonize all gun owners	B2G	Oct 2015	#89
Fox is a Crazy-Maker, that's way different than having a mental illness.	Dont call me Shirley	Oct 2015	#96
Saying that this particular mentally ill person shouldn't have had access to guns	pnwmom	Oct 2015	#98

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