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Hoyt

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114. Nope, the DEALER has to keep information on the sale, and consequently the BGC. Read.

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:24 PM

Aug 2015

Since the government has a record of the gun manufacture and the dealer the manufacturer sold it to, the ATF can go straight to the dealer to make sure they have kept the required information.

You are mixed up. Don't know what you are trying to prove, but you haven't.

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Is Open Carry for whites only or would someone explain [View all] malaise Aug 2015 OP

Open carry is a significant indicator of White Privilege. Paladin Aug 2015 #1

+1000000000 Hoyt Aug 2015 #10

can't argue with that. maybe modify it to white male, although occasionally a female nut gets in on magical thyme Aug 2015 #62

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding…! doxyluv13 Aug 2015 #64

Paladin's Narrative®. So, what about H.P. Newton Gun Club? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #71

You guys are beating the HPNGC to death, aren't you? Paladin Aug 2015 #77

Deal with it. For once. Then, Deacons for Defense. Let me know.nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #88

Might as well stop reading right here. You win the thread. But I'll read more. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #112

Of course open carry is for whites only Lunabell Aug 2015 #2

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #73

Yes, just ask any of them, the Second Amendment is for only them. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #3

So why did the fugging police do nothing malaise Aug 2015 #5

The NRA has been successful in pushing through bills in different states which allow the "open carry Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #32

It's legal and only those with money can afford this crap, so they look the other way. BUT: freshwest Aug 2015 #113

I get what you're saying. TexasProgresive Aug 2015 #4

They would be targets because they would not be protected malaise Aug 2015 #6

Amen. TexasProgresive Aug 2015 #11

Exactly. If I were black, I'd feel like I needed a gun, but would know that I would be Nay Aug 2015 #51

Just occured to me that if Blacks were to join NRA supporters senz Aug 2015 #59

I am thinking the same along those lines. Jim Beard Aug 2015 #128

I am a NC CCW instructor and have had hundreds of minorities in my classes Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #17

Good to know. 840high Aug 2015 #53

You are disrupting doctrinaire Narrative®, Lee-Lee. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #74

Alleged anecdotal evidence does not rise to the level of disruption LanternWaste Aug 2015 #147

Not recognizing the issue causes any "logic" to go askew or become a joke... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #156

that viewpoint is 'right wing propaganda', even if it comes soley from your own personal experience HFRN Aug 2015 #87

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #89

No. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment guaranteeing the right to conceal a weapon. Maedhros Aug 2015 #95

Actually there is a growing body of case law Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #97

There is one reason to carry a concealed weapon: to be able to kill someone with it. Maedhros Aug 2015 #101

I would love to see some statistics to back up Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #107

Actually, the states must not infringe on "keep and bear" guarantees.... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #158

This is about Open Carry. progressoid Aug 2015 #120

your class is concealed carry, right? KT2000 Aug 2015 #151

Probably Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #154

Fuck yeah Cosmocat Aug 2015 #44

Hell, one poor black guy in a Walmart couldn't even pick up a BB gun for sale by Nay Aug 2015 #52

We used to have open carry in California. But the day the Black Panthers Cleita Aug 2015 #7

Oh My malaise Aug 2015 #8

And it was under their idol Reagan that that happened. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #9

When I was a young woman walking around Berkely in the 60s, there were Black Panthers senz Aug 2015 #61

Peculiar, but NOW it seems different. See #22. Question: Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #92

I don't approve of vigilantism or armed citizens of any type. Cleita Aug 2015 #98

I don't like vigilantism, either. And there was none in Ferguson. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #104

It was not just "an event". former9thward Aug 2015 #111

I fail to see the difference between that and yahoos with guns Cleita Aug 2015 #116

Yes, it was a direct result of the Panthers. former9thward Aug 2015 #119

I've always argued the fastest way to enacting gun control legislation jeff47 Aug 2015 #12

Huey P. Newton Gun Club virtualobserver Aug 2015 #22

And yet, my absolutust support for the 2A remains unchanged Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #31

Photoshopped, I tell you, Photoshopped!! They're Alive!! They're Alive!! Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #80

Oddly enough the NRA favored gun control in the late 1960's d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #96

per CBS: they claim they were hired to "protect reporters" for (Alex Jones/InfoWars) Solly Mack Aug 2015 #13

So now African-Americans must fear not only the racist police malaise Aug 2015 #16

Exactly. :( Solly Mack Aug 2015 #23

You are wrong. The police didn't "do nothing". They welcomed them, saw them as jtuck004 Aug 2015 #41

Oath keepers are military and law enforcement.... haikugal Aug 2015 #54

They are still a right wing vigilante group, who ordinarily target Cleita Aug 2015 #65

My post was in no way supportive of them Cleita. haikugal Aug 2015 #69

I didn't think you were supportive. Cleita Aug 2015 #72

Ah....so it is!!! haikugal Aug 2015 #79

Excellent point malaise Aug 2015 #91

What do you mean by "So now ..."? staggerleem Aug 2015 #63

Valid point malaise Aug 2015 #93

And the Deacon For Defense did what? nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #81

Infowars "reporter" Joe Biggs 951-Riverside Aug 2015 #21

The Oath Keepers were in Ferguson last year as well. Solly Mack Aug 2015 #27

My post was primarily about Infowars and their rifle toting "Reporter" but I agree with you 951-Riverside Aug 2015 #35

It is information war, and the mass media does not care to become involved, hence the TrumpAThon. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #75

Very True. Juries seem to accept the premise that white folks can be in fear of their life just Hoyt Aug 2015 #14

And the police did nothing malaise Aug 2015 #20

Don't get me started on Cliven's bunch. Sooner or later, government is going to have to do something Hoyt Aug 2015 #25

You have such a fevered imagination. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #33

Your love of gunz blur the truth. Hoyt Aug 2015 #37

Says the guy who got all nasty rather than admit he was wrong about BGC being destroyed after 24 hrs Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #40

I think you've been smelling too much gun blue. Hoyt Aug 2015 #43

You want me to drag your dirty laundry out for everyone to see? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #47

Please do, if you can. Don't see what it has to do with yahoos and their gun love. Hoyt Aug 2015 #90

What it has to do with anything is the fact you make things up Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #99

So? You support white folks toting gunz. Show it. Hoyt Aug 2015 #103

I support the right to RKBA regardless of race. The only make it about race is you. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #106

Nope, I was right and you wrong. You should have checked with your gun dealing buddies in Gungeon. Hoyt Aug 2015 #109

I think you're referring to denied checks. Permitted checks are destroyed -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #110

Nope, the DEALER has to keep information on the sale, and consequently the BGC. Read. Hoyt Aug 2015 #114

You are only partially correct Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #117

And that's the problem that started the debate months agi with the gun fancier above. Hoyt Aug 2015 #118

They are idiots Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #122

I like that. I have no problem with a farmer walking around with a gun, Hoyt Aug 2015 #123

If that were four African Americans.. armed like that.. Peacetrain Aug 2015 #15

I suspect they would have been on the way to the morgue n/t malaise Aug 2015 #18

Or that too.. I just can't let myself go there Peacetrain Aug 2015 #24

sadly , very likely. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #39

See #22. Still on the street.nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #84

More evidence safeinOhio Aug 2015 #19

He's lucky they didn't kill him with his own weapon malaise Aug 2015 #26

If they can't treat everyone the same under a law safeinOhio Aug 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author ileus Aug 2015 #49

In the minds of those that are obssessed with it, yes. mmonk Aug 2015 #29

Huey P. Newton Gun Club Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #30

In the 1960's the civil rights movement actually worked with the NRA here in NC Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #34

I screamed so loud at the tv JackInGreen Aug 2015 #36

Why yes, yes it is. Hekate Aug 2015 #38

Read up on the Black Panther Party for Self Defense taking a trip to the State Capitol... Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #42

As a Texan who is just beginning to see "open carry", it all scares the hell out of me. hamsterjill Aug 2015 #45

You are 100% correct. Not only carnage but a return of the National Guard. gordianot Aug 2015 #46

2A rights are for everyone... ileus Aug 2015 #48

Yes, and the 1% intends to make damn sure it stays this way. Zorra Aug 2015 #50

"White supremacists are another safeguard that the 1% uses to prevent and/or contain revolution." senz Aug 2015 #68

YES!!!!! haikugal Aug 2015 #76

I despise OC and CC even more angrychair Aug 2015 #108

Firearms are for white men, conservative and True Christian(tm) by upbringing. Tea baggers. Rex Aug 2015 #55

I think Open Carry s/b banned for everyone and Open Dick s/b mandatory. valerief Aug 2015 #56

LOL! Cleita Aug 2015 #66

SO MUCH truth to this. senz Aug 2015 #85

Your last sentence explains the whole thing. The marchers in Ferguson MO know that so they jwirr Aug 2015 #57

The short answer to your question would appear to be "Yes" Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #58

Where on god's green earth are the usual gun worshipers? Darb Aug 2015 #60

If you are the least bit interested, Google Huey P. Newton Gun Club pictures... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #67

K&R This thread is GREAT. senz Aug 2015 #70

Open Carry is for Terrorists. (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #78

Does that include the Deacons for Defense? Newton Gun Club? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #86

Are you equating your reasons for gun toting to theirs? Hoyt Aug 2015 #94

Nope. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #105

Are you Black? (nt) stone space Aug 2015 #115

Nope. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #157

Next step for them is to throw out MLK as a voice for MOAR GUNZ! stone space Aug 2015 #144

LMAO. Used to see it in the Gungeon. Hoyt Aug 2015 #150

MLK didn't need a gun. His backers had plenty. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #159

The 2nd amendment was written by terrorists, slave owners and genocidal maniacs (nt) 951-Riverside Aug 2015 #100

Some of us consider big guns to be phallic substitutes senz Aug 2015 #82

This is America, Dude. Learn the rules! RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #83

I hope you read up on the Deacons for Defense, for your answer. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #102

White guy open carries vs a black guy... ariesgem Aug 2015 #121

Of course this video doesn't really prove anything Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #124

"racism is a load of horseshit" ariesgem Aug 2015 #138

I see you can't dispute what I said so you Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #139

K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #125

Since Oath Keepers are largely made up ex-law enforcement and military men, Skidmore Aug 2015 #126

So TeddyR Aug 2015 #127

Why would you say that? Armed blacks marched without incident virgogal Aug 2015 #129

In most places, I would bet that the life-expectancy of a law-abiding black male hifiguy Aug 2015 #130

I'll call your bet TeddyR Aug 2015 #131

If I was a black man I would be ultra cautious about open carrying. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #132

Nope. Its for all people. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #133

Different rules for white folks Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #134

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #135

Exactly what the hubs and i were saying Duppers Aug 2015 #136

Pretty much artislife Aug 2015 #137

Thank you for correct use of the expression "white supremacist". MH1 Aug 2015 #140

I've always said the way to change gun laws in this country is for black men to follow them. Vinca Aug 2015 #141

It's the legacy of white supremacy that taught you guns are only for whites Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #142

I was never taught guns are only for whites. Vinca Aug 2015 #143

FYI, that makes you a "Fudd." Paladin Aug 2015 #149

I hadn't heard that one . . . I'll be a proud "Fudd." LOL. Vinca Aug 2015 #155

Very good post malaise Aug 2015 #146

Open Carry, Peaceful Civil Disobedience, among many other aspects of society... NCTraveler Aug 2015 #145

Precisely. Paladin Aug 2015 #148

Many of our resident RKBAers here at DU are Zimmerman supporters. stone space Aug 2015 #161

Sure looks that way Warpy Aug 2015 #152

No explanation required Mr Dixon Aug 2015 #153

So, please answer your own question: "Is Open Carry for whites only?" Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #160