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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Fri May 18, 2012, 04:31 AM May 2012

Wait, the Derivatives market is worth $1,200 TRILLION dollars??? [View all]

That's 20 times the world's GDP. Wow, Sauron has been pretty gosh darned busy conjuring up all that imaginary money. Who's going to cover this mess if it goes belly-up?

On a side note: I'm going to have to go back to economics class just to understand some of what is being said here.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/risk-quadrillion-derivatives-market-gdp/


Big Risk: $1.2 Quadrillion Derivatives Market Dwarfs World GDP

By Peter Cohan
Posted 10:45AM 06/09/10
Posted under: Economy, Investing, Investing Basics

One of the biggest risks to the world's financial health is the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market. It's complex, it's unregulated, and it ought to be of concern to world leaders that its notional value is 20 times the size of the world economy. But traders rule the roost -- and as much as risk managers and regulators might want to limit that risk, they lack the power or knowledge to do so.

A quadrillion is a big number: 1,000 times a trillion. Yet according to one of the world's leading derivatives experts, Paul Wilmott, who holds a doctorate in applied mathematics from Oxford University (and whose speaking voice sounds eerily like John Lennon's), $1.2 quadrillion is the so-called notional value of the worldwide derivatives market. To put that in perspective, the world's annual gross domestic product is between $50 trillion and $60 trillion.
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Clearly, the Have-Mores are having a heyday. 99th_Monkey May 2012 #1
Economics class won't do it for ya jmowreader May 2012 #2
So we've created some kind of financial chimera whose DNA we can't even decode? Zalatix May 2012 #3
Precisely jmowreader May 2012 #30
Yep, I have a friend with a masters in math from MIT. He sat down and explained them to me stevenleser May 2012 #33
Banned? Oh no don't do that, just because we silly mortals cannot understand it. Zalatix May 2012 #34
Wendy Gramm TahitiNut May 2012 #4
Ding, Ding, Ding! salin May 2012 #8
"Almost"? sendero May 2012 #12
Not there yet, but have a good credit union salin May 2012 #28
"...money isn't earning much of anything." unkachuck May 2012 #51
What do you mean "no one knows what the hell they are"? FarCenter May 2012 #19
Pricey read that first one. laundry_queen May 2012 #27
Okay, Sayajit Das knows what the hell they are jmowreader May 2012 #31
That is a powerful metaphor, I hope you will consider building an OP coalition_unwilling May 2012 #43
Nor were the people whose houses were flattened... jmowreader May 2012 #50
4700 PAGES!!! That's 3x as long as War and Peace!!! Zalatix May 2012 #35
According to Malcolm Gladwell, it takes 10,000 hours to master something FarCenter May 2012 #39
Actually, the CFTC does not have regulatory authority over many of the coalition_unwilling May 2012 #42
Yes, I'd like to see the derivitives market regulated by the Nevada Gaming Commission Jack Rabbit May 2012 #48
There's a more important NCG rule jmowreader May 2012 #49
You're right. That is more important. Jack Rabbit May 2012 #54
Yup, and it needs to be declared void for the fraud that it is. Waiting For Everyman May 2012 #5
Indeed. This is nothing more than Monopoly money. hifiguy May 2012 #22
The key here is to understand that "notional value" isn't real. FBaggins May 2012 #6
Not only that.. sendero May 2012 #13
That's certainly correct. FBaggins May 2012 #15
I'll have to disagree . sendero May 2012 #16
There are two problems actually. Your problem is one of them, in that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #44
Magic Economics. Nice work if you can get it. TrollBuster9090 May 2012 #7
Ah, I see. I wasn't getting it because it's not even real. Zalatix May 2012 #9
The funny thing is, every empire of note, MadHound May 2012 #10
Rome is a bad example. DetlefK May 2012 #14
and the main chunk of money funding this empire is pillage magical thyme May 2012 #26
Rome is a bad example there too bhikkhu May 2012 #32
At least the Roman empire created some great art and philosophy that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #45
that sounds vaguely similar to onethatcares May 2012 #38
+1 Blue_Tires May 2012 #36
What's the difference between this and counterfeiting money? Please explain! DetlefK May 2012 #11
You are conflating currency (a physical form that money takes) and money (the coalition_unwilling May 2012 #46
Warren Buffett was sounding the alarm on derivatives way back in 2002 when PA Democrat May 2012 #17
No. Notional is not "worth" econoclast May 2012 #18
The other reason that the total notional is so high is that it is cumulative FarCenter May 2012 #20
Only if you think tomorrow's Powerball drawing is worth 2 Quadrillion dmallind May 2012 #21
Your analogy doesn't work because they divide the winnings for Powerball Taitertots May 2012 #25
isn't that 1.2 gazillion? nt Javaman May 2012 #23
Actually, it might be a Brazillion. nt eppur_se_muova May 2012 #24
Might as well be Triskellian Quatloons aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #29
Quick... before this thread goes south... Bigmack May 2012 #37
It will fall when it can't grow any more. bemildred May 2012 #40
Here, this might do it: bemildred May 2012 #41
Here's a good example from real life: AIG sold credit default swaps against coalition_unwilling May 2012 #47
It's stupendously simple Zanzoobar May 2012 #52
I think it's a very big deal indeed. pa28 May 2012 #53
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