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ctaylors6

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18. I was responding
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:02 PM
May 2012

to when you said you "assume that the legal rational for that is that 1) you set those events into motion and 2) any reasonable person would fear for their safety from you.

It sounded like you were asking what the legal basis and rationale would be. I was trying very hard not to comment on the Martin-Zimmerman facts per se since I'm not very familiar with them. It sounded like you might not be familiar with the legal provisions pertinent to the case and were asking about it. I apologize if I misunderstood what you were asking.

Zimmerman will have to prove self-defense, but will also have to get past the initial aggressor provision, which in my opinion is huge issue in this case. If the facts show that he ran after Martin with a visible gun drawn, I would think that would be a text book example of initial aggressor.

You can't generally physically attack a person for "confronting" you. That's the problem. nt Romulox May 2012 #1
What if he seriously dissed you? ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #5
Did it rise to the level of a "reasonable apprehension" of physical harm? Then yes. Romulox May 2012 #8
I don't think having your feelings hurt makes something an imminent threat JVS May 2012 #9
My daughters' high school counselor might disagree with you ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #11
Wow. Just.... Wow. PavePusher May 2012 #20
In some ways she was right, but it really made no difference ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #29
No hack89 May 2012 #2
"to chase and confront someone in public" is this not stalking? If he had been wearing a police jwirr May 2012 #19
To a layman perhaps. In the eyes of the law it has a very limited and specific meaning. hack89 May 2012 #25
Then this SYG law puts all of us in danger. All we need is an enemy. Fortunately for me Governor jwirr May 2012 #26
No it doesn't hack89 May 2012 #27
an armed person breaking into house ctaylors6 May 2012 #3
That was part of the argument on the PA castle doctrine change. Short answer: Yes. HopeHoops May 2012 #4
One of the key questions will be if Zimmerman committed a crime ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #6
Not analogous. Breaking and entering is a crime; following and confronting isn't a crime. JVS May 2012 #7
No, and no. slackmaster May 2012 #10
I don't think you get a right to self defense while committing a crime. 4th law of robotics May 2012 #12
If a strange man chases me down the street at night, I'm going to fear for my safety. Nine May 2012 #13
Breaking into a home ctaylors6 May 2012 #14
You're right, those examples are not analogous. Nine May 2012 #16
I was responding ctaylors6 May 2012 #18
Yes, if gz had just been walking behind him but first he followed him in his car and then got out of jwirr May 2012 #21
Sure he can johnnie May 2012 #15
Not originally. Nine May 2012 #17
It's not a problem with SYG, it's a problem with a lazy/corrupt/incompetent... PavePusher May 2012 #22
I may be wrong but before SYG laws I think all self defense claims had to be looked into. I remember jwirr May 2012 #23
Call me cynical, but if you are Latino or African American hifiguy May 2012 #24
It has already been done. provis99 May 2012 #28
If Trayvon had broken into Zimmerman's house, I'd have to defend him... Comrade_McKenzie May 2012 #30
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