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OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
232. You wrote,
Thu May 17, 2012, 11:39 AM
May 2012

"Obama's top contributors are alternative energy companies, colleges and individual donors."

None of Obama's top contributors are alternative energy companies. You pulled that out of your ass. The University of California was the top contributor during the 2008 campaign, with Goldman Fucking Sachs right behind. Speaking of Goldman Sachs, how many of their employees are being investigated/prosecuted? I guess that was money well spent.

I have no interest in reading any more fabrications from you, but I can gladly give you several more reasons why your propaganda is no different than that of the Republicans.

Dems are the same as Republicans. Dems are the same as Republicans. Squawk NNN0LHI May 2012 #1
The true Left would be wise to realize this and push for Leftist Democratic candidates. Zalatix May 2012 #4
"true left"... SidDithers May 2012 #21
No true lefty would put sugar on their porridge. meti57b May 2012 #28
That is a question a true leftie would never have to ask! sabrina 1 May 2012 #91
We need to follow your advice, I agree with you, Your Guy leads by example Dragonfli May 2012 #139
... SidDithers May 2012 #146
... Dragonfli May 2012 #147
... SidDithers May 2012 #151
. Dragonfli May 2012 #183
You're good. Dithers got nothing. HiPointDem May 2012 #263
I notice that you ask questions a lot instead of giving your take. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #306
You're right... SidDithers May 2012 #311
You say this as an active member of the left in the US Democratic party I assume Dragonfli May 2012 #331
... SidDithers May 2012 #336
. Dragonfli May 2012 #337
And how the hell would you know? nm rhett o rick May 2012 #338
They do give a fuck about the 99%. They see the 99% as a pestilence. Zalatix May 2012 #2
"culling the herd"... tex-wyo-dem May 2012 #117
People don't seem to realize that this is a culling. Zalatix May 2012 #334
No. At this point they're about as polar opposite on most issues as you could get. FarLeftFist May 2012 #3
One belives in radical austerity, while the other MannyGoldstein May 2012 #9
Yes, both parties agree that the deficit needs to be addressed, but they break on HOW to address it. FarLeftFist May 2012 #10
It's not true that one side wants to collect zero tax revenue.. Fumesucker May 2012 #18
And neither one wants to do the *only* thing that's actually worked in the past MannyGoldstein May 2012 #19
O Rly? FarLeftFist May 2012 #25
Frnkly it should have hit bottom and would have. progress2k12nbynd May 2012 #103
Nope. I'm saying helping homeowners is preferable instead. FarLeftFist May 2012 #193
quote is exactly what the hamp program did...nothing ..nothing was done to help until xiamiam May 2012 #199
There was money to be made by waiting first Tushon May 2012 #251
I agree. There's a wide gulf between them now. pnwmom May 2012 #15
"most issues" OnyxCollie May 2012 #78
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.... WiffenPoof May 2012 #132
+ 1000 nt raouldukelives May 2012 #180
GITMO is open b/c of a 96-4 Senate vote. Next. FarLeftFist May 2012 #191
Definately no Democrats at fault there, GOOD EXAMPLE to counter the point of weak Democrats Dragonfli May 2012 #208
And that has nothing to do OnyxCollie May 2012 #213
!!! bvar22 May 2012 #249
Their opposite on issues as long as it keeps the masses divided. Larry Ogg May 2012 #256
Then why is the admin spending more of MY resources going after marijuana dispensers than rhett o rick May 2012 #309
K&R for the truth on a national scale. Brickbat May 2012 #5
These things are true, Manny. +1 Poll_Blind May 2012 #6
yes Manny and its a sad commentary that just by saying it you could be banned xiamiam May 2012 #200
FDR would have also been banned. So would Truman. And others. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #231
If they were even remotely similar we wouldn't have gridlock & obstruction. FarLeftFist May 2012 #7
+1! FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #11
+2 ellisonz May 2012 #12
+1! uponit7771 May 2012 #71
+5 Son of Gob May 2012 #90
+100 Canuckistanian May 2012 #95
All the wrestlers in the WWE work for Vince Mcmahon. OnyxCollie May 2012 #97
.... bigwillq May 2012 #107
Wrestling isn't real. FarLeftFist May 2012 #116
Precisely nt MannyGoldstein May 2012 #119
Neither is OnyxCollie May 2012 #121
Officials are voted into office and held accountable. Wrestlers aren't. FarLeftFist May 2012 #194
Oh, but when we try to hold them accountable OnyxCollie May 2012 #220
When some try to hold them accountable they tell this lie "disgruntled non dems campaign openly Dragonfli May 2012 #233
Scott Walker was voted into office by the KOCH brothers $$$$. held accountable, not crunch60 May 2012 #258
Neither is politics tkmorris May 2012 #136
neither is DC piratefish08 May 2012 #141
Neither is much of the political theatrics we see... tex-wyo-dem May 2012 #169
Tell that to women who have been raped with trans-vaginal probes emulatorloo May 2012 #219
+ a googolplex AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #145
Then why did we have gridlock and obstruction in 2008? Maybe that's what our corporate rhett o rick May 2012 #310
Adults understand there's RARELY a choice between good and better when it comes to people leading uponit7771 May 2012 #8
Complete nonsense. n/t ellisonz May 2012 #13
Thanks for the info, sunshine. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #14
+1 The recs for this are hilarious. Number23 May 2012 #122
i bet it's the who's who of fools... dionysus May 2012 #203
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - HUGE K & R !!! WillyT May 2012 #16
Right, so we should just throw in the towel and let the tea baggers win. pnwmom May 2012 #17
Oh look, another "not a dime's worth of difference" post... SidDithers May 2012 #20
More like the difference between millionaires and billionaires. rug May 2012 #77
Yeah, but it is what it is... Zorra May 2012 #22
I really like you. DevonRex May 2012 #27
Aww, shucks. Thanks. And don't worry, I'm a netnostic. I don't believe in Godwin's Law. Zorra May 2012 #31
So ProSense May 2012 #23
And why are Republicans getting ready to hold Americans hostage again? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #24
"Wake up folks: nobody with power gives a fuck about you." ProSense May 2012 #30
Why did Lincoln fire his losing generals? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #36
Because ProSense May 2012 #38
At least FDR actually fought for stuff and turned the 99% economy around MannyGoldstein May 2012 #40
Except ProSense May 2012 #43
Bullshit. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #44
Well, ProSense May 2012 #47
There were 30 lynchings in 1934, the first MannyGoldstein May 2012 #59
Wait, ProSense May 2012 #69
Wait, MannyGoldstein May 2012 #81
Well, ProSense May 2012 #83
Poverty, homelessness, and hunger are increasing MannyGoldstein May 2012 #115
Who is ProSense May 2012 #157
Actually, FDR's federal works programs hired pretty much without discrimination JDPriestly May 2012 #110
I believe you are correct nt MannyGoldstein May 2012 #124
Nope. Didn't include Blacks or Women. How "progressive". FarLeftFist May 2012 #192
What didn't include blacks or women? Brickbat May 2012 #229
the FarRightFist often has a little trouble with facts, yet speaks with such authority Dragonfli May 2012 #238
You might want to retract that statement. It is false. sabrina 1 May 2012 #300
Watch this documentary and educate yourself. WorseBeforeBetter May 2012 #316
Because they small blood in the water abelenkpe May 2012 #101
No use discussing it with her! n-t Logical May 2012 #161
You're right. ProSense May 2012 #168
So you are happy with the current situation where JP Morgan loses $2b and the Pres pats rhett o rick May 2012 #312
Well..... cliffordu May 2012 #26
I'm with ya. n/t zentrum May 2012 #29
Better Believe It! cliffordu May 2012 #33
Please ProSense May 2012 #32
Wow, you unhappy with a Obama critic! What a shock! Logical May 2012 #165
That's not true, Manny. The President thinks about us pscot May 2012 #34
Maybe if we ProSense May 2012 #37
Maybe if Obama was not so gullible we would fight harder! Logical May 2012 #162
The Washington Generals do the best they can!!! Dragonfli May 2012 #197
Alright, LOL AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #84
Expect to be roasted alive by the Democratic Party apologists here. begin_within May 2012 #35
gee, democrats on a site called DU. how odd. dionysus May 2012 #55
... SidDithers May 2012 #65
huh?humm?wot?oh . . . yeah bigtree May 2012 #195
Well if Manny is gonna make up shit, he is gonna get pushback emulatorloo May 2012 #223
Well gee. What party do you belong to? treestar May 2012 #227
Do I like where we are? awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #39
Well said Manny. pa28 May 2012 #41
Also well said dflprincess May 2012 #51
Human Psychology is involved of course. NS2012 May 2012 #42
Obama ran on a public option. Then threw it in the trash. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #46
Touche. NS2012 May 2012 #50
Maybe ProSense May 2012 #53
still can't count to 60, huh? dionysus May 2012 #58
How many votes were needed to pass ObamaCare? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #61
i'll just leave you to campaign against the dems to your little hearts content. dionysus May 2012 #62
Are you having trouble counting? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #63
i'm having trouble taking your act seriously. dionysus May 2012 #98
You brought it up; so how many votes MannyGoldstein May 2012 #114
Jesus H. Christ, you're arguing like a teabagger against Obama. DU is no place for Obama haters. FarLeftFist May 2012 #89
OCDS OnyxCollie May 2012 #93
He's arguing for Democratic party values. n/t pa28 May 2012 #105
He's arguing for (d)emocratic values. nt OnyxCollie May 2012 #113
He's distorting the facts. Dems and Republicans are the same? See Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin emulatorloo May 2012 #215
"haters" and "bashers" and critics oh my, I for one think Obama is Christlike Dragonfli May 2012 #188
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #198
For what? Dragonfli May 2012 #201
sigh... chervilant May 2012 #160
I agree. Beacool May 2012 #45
Here's ProSense May 2012 #49
I know my history. Beacool May 2012 #64
So ProSense May 2012 #72
Of course he gets credit for signing the bill. Beacool May 2012 #178
and where have you been lately.. hmmm? dionysus May 2012 #75
A new banky!!!! Beacool May 2012 #94
So, what's your fucking point? Got a fucking solution? DevonRex May 2012 #48
oh, he's just picking up the slack for BBI. someone has to break the DU TOS with damn near every dionysus May 2012 #56
Yup... SidDithers May 2012 #68
Yep, your new target is in sight, you guys will cleanse the site of him promptly Dragonfli May 2012 #189
... SidDithers May 2012 #262
. Dragonfli May 2012 #271
? bvar22 May 2012 #253
OOo I want to punch some hippies, can I? (I am newly converted to Third Way Ideology, HARD CORE) Dragonfli May 2012 #277
I've got a really fucking easy solution: PROSECUTE WAR CRIMINALS just1voice May 2012 #108
That would be justice duhneece May 2012 #173
Recognizing the problem is the first step to finding a solution Blecht May 2012 #131
Maybe you typing "fucking" helps! LOL Logical May 2012 #164
lulz bubbalubagus May 2012 #176
That's exactly what the GOP wants you to believe. baldguy May 2012 #52
+1 n/t FSogol May 2012 #57
Most Modern Day Democrats Aren't The Same... They're Worse... They Have No Will To Fight... WillyT May 2012 #60
Not tail between the legs. Complicit. woo me with science May 2012 #209
Nothing like twisting the OP's words into something you want them to say Blecht May 2012 #76
x 2 AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #128
Yep... WiffenPoof May 2012 #133
Do you know how you get better Democrats? baldguy May 2012 #138
Tell that to Bill Halter and Ned Lamont OnyxCollie May 2012 #234
In all fairness they are consistent and are less than enthusiastic re the Walker recall as well /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #242
Take your straw man somewhere else Blecht May 2012 #313
Saying Democratic politicians and Republican politicians are the same can only help Republicans. baldguy May 2012 #317
Done Blecht May 2012 #332
OP says "both parties work for the 1%" muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #190
If "both parties work for the 1%," and if I am a member of the Democratic Party, where's my pay? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #235
I suggest you put your concerns to Manny muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #259
No thank you. You are saying that he's expressing himself badly. I am not. 208 recs and counting AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #265
This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers May 2012 #269
So why did you find a problem with "both parties work for the 1%"? muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #274
Obviously, or it should be obvious, you are using Manning's phrase out of context to mean something AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #282
Both working for the 1% = same? Blecht May 2012 #314
The OP makes no attempt to point out any differences muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #333
He says they have done the same thing -- Blecht May 2012 #339
Amen. Plus the idea they are all corrupt just leads to apathy treestar May 2012 #230
Again, why do we care about what the GOP wants?? sabrina 1 May 2012 #294
Because the GOP spreads bullshit ideas like "Both parties are the same" baldguy May 2012 #335
keep trying manny. thank god you're here to pick up the slack. dionysus May 2012 #54
You better believe it! treestar May 2012 #228
What utter 3rd party advocating, GOP assisting, vote suppressing fresh hell is this? Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #66
Agreed. The Republicans are wholly owned. MrSlayer May 2012 #67
You get the Democrats that you can get elected, where ever you can get them elected MrScorpio May 2012 #70
The feeling is mutual. Zax2me May 2012 #73
Follow the Money! AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #74
Welcome to DU, and I love your name! Quantess May 2012 #82
Thanks! AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #140
Bullshit. OnyxCollie May 2012 #86
How polite and subtle of you... AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #142
You wrote, OnyxCollie May 2012 #232
Follow the money is good advice. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #87
And as much as I wish the banksters were rotting in prison... AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #143
You're right. It will be more than $2 billion. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #214
I see progress although, like you, I wish it were more pronounced... AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #298
Yes. Although the official story is that a law firm "accidentally" released it, I'd like to believe AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #303
And maybe if there had been prosecutions immediately after the Meltdown sabrina 1 May 2012 #296
We can't follow the money. It has been flowing to the 1% for the past 20 years, and jtuck004 May 2012 #120
:) AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #144
What's actually happening can't be described in so few words. caseymoz May 2012 #79
"both parties work for the 1%" Blecht May 2012 #80
You've just realized this? CountAllVotes May 2012 #85
You think you got troubles? Up here in Canada we have 4 or 5 parties GliderGuider May 2012 #88
Both parties work for the 1%? JamesJ May 2012 #92
Actually, chervilant May 2012 #153
Lyndon Johnson was a great politician. He was able to get the Civil Rights act passed, blue neen May 2012 #96
I learned that lesson in 2010. BlueIris May 2012 #99
We are in the USA Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #100
Huge K&R. Thanks Manny. jannyk May 2012 #102
As a woman in Greece said "we traded civility for corruption" just1voice May 2012 #104
Yep. Rex May 2012 #106
DU Rec for a rare cutting through the bullshit. woo me with science May 2012 #109
Will you be voting for Nader again? ecstatic May 2012 #111
Why Nader? Is he still being true to traditional Democratic principles? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #130
Big thumbsup, Manny! tex-wyo-dem May 2012 #112
You and I are not in The Club, Manny. bluedigger May 2012 #118
K&R DeSwiss May 2012 #123
Funny how posting leftie stuff here makes one fearful of banning. Poll_Blind May 2012 #125
One of the most truthful and significant posts I've ever seen from you MG. obxhead May 2012 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author obxhead May 2012 #127
If they toss you for this they can toss me too donheld May 2012 #129
The Scooby gang likes to take them out one at a time. Dragonfli May 2012 #207
I had a post hidden a couple days ago... Larry Ogg May 2012 #288
"when it comes to the psychology of the mind, they are as much a Right Wing Authoritarian as any Dragonfli May 2012 #322
Now, now, I did learn from them that Harry Belafonte's... WorseBeforeBetter May 2012 #320
such certitude indeed, regardless of objective truth, /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #323
They remind me of W's true believers. WorseBeforeBetter May 2012 #327
That is because they are psychologically the same, authoritarian followers of what they perceive Dragonfli May 2012 #328
durec Amster Dan May 2012 #134
Agree nt Raine May 2012 #135
Sorry Manny, I have to disagree.. Fumesucker May 2012 #137
'Willfully ignorant...' chervilant May 2012 #155
I believe that my Senator and Rep care about people like me- if not me cali May 2012 #148
Same as it ever was. Check the sigline. K&R Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #149
DC's stopped caring about pretending to care: blkmusclmachine May 2012 #150
Thank you for speaking the sad truth. K&R. Vidar May 2012 #152
And this Thread perfectly demonstrates why we need Unrec...nt SidDithers May 2012 #154
no, it means someone should enforce the Terms of Service for the site... dionysus May 2012 #202
Yes, about as clear a TOS violation as there is. nt stevenleser May 2012 #291
Thanks for speaking the simple truth CanonRay May 2012 #156
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism-- thanks Manny! crunch60 May 2012 #255
Wow... chervilant May 2012 #158
gad, that's such a bad argument, dear. cali May 2012 #159
Gosh... chervilant May 2012 #163
And you, "dear", are engaging in Argument Ad Hominem. Why not stick to the subject, rather than Romulox May 2012 #171
no, I'm not. the discussion of rhetoric is often appropriate here cali May 2012 #175
Direct quote: "Hackneyed and difficult to argue with as the person employing this cheapo tactic" Romulox May 2012 #177
Did you bother reading the OP? "both parties work for the 1%" muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #196
And I was so sure this OP was going to announce the start of the Progressive Prz 2016 JoePhilly May 2012 #166
Got that right, there is no more democracy, there is only oligarchy of the 1%. K&R mother earth May 2012 #167
This thread is one example why JonLP24 May 2012 #170
The Status Quo is the ONLY realistic system possible. Remember that, and you'll be fine. Romulox May 2012 #172
K&R Carolina May 2012 #174
The only people in our corner.... 99Forever May 2012 #179
Republicans are ProSense May 2012 #182
Why would I.. 99Forever May 2012 #184
Except ProSense May 2012 #185
As overly verbose as you are... 99Forever May 2012 #187
except those who believe blindly..that is not us..thats what they turned us into..non thinkers xiamiam May 2012 #206
Welcome to America Glaisne May 2012 #181
Yup, ProSense May 2012 #186
Of course this is correct.. sendero May 2012 #204
Economics, war, and the police state. woo me with science May 2012 #210
Somebody needs a hug. randome May 2012 #205
manny, actually most people know this now, maybe not on the new du, but out here in america xiamiam May 2012 #211
Get you "tossed off of DU?" Your divisive, unintelligent, overused and incorrect OP got 173 recs. great white snark May 2012 #212
Fuckin' A Bubba! Fuddnik May 2012 #216
Ah yes, "Obama's Secret Plan" emulatorloo May 2012 #217
Since.. 99Forever May 2012 #218
That this OP is typical of Manny. He often tells us of Obama's Secret Plan to Destroy Social Securit emulatorloo May 2012 #236
So.. 99Forever May 2012 #245
Actually no. Manny creates strawman Democrats emulatorloo May 2012 #257
Oh my... 99Forever May 2012 #264
Well let's see. Find where I claimed Manny could not post his opinion here emulatorloo May 2012 #266
Sorry.. 99Forever May 2012 #276
You put words in my mouth, I called you on it. emulatorloo May 2012 #289
What fucking claim would that be? 99Forever May 2012 #293
You busted me on nothing. Stop bothering me now. emulatorloo May 2012 #297
Don't use logical falacies to make your point.. 99Forever May 2012 #304
Read the news sometime, you might learn something just1voice May 2012 #250
Pick one. Let's get it on. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #307
You do realize Manny that they have nothing and so will ignore your challenge Dragonfli May 2012 #326
Your hypothesis seems correct. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #340
You're right, of course. The snark attack words, with quote marks, don't appear anywhere in the OP. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #241
Simpson/Bowles was a very poorly kept secret. Dragonfli May 2012 #239
If you want to know sulphurdunn May 2012 #221
I wished Manny would stop with his rightwing enabling crapola. Swede May 2012 #222
Telling the truth is NOT "rightwing enabling", it's the opposite just1voice May 2012 #248
Well said. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #252
My opinion is: someone saying Dem=GOP=win for the GOP by voter suppression. Swede May 2012 #272
You are in the wrong OP then, He never said Dem=GOP, you putting those words in his mouth Dragonfli May 2012 #273
That is EXACTLY what Manny said. He said Dems and Repugs both work for the 1% that means stevenleser May 2012 #292
Actually, he said "both parties work for the 1%." AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #305
I admire how you patiently explain this to one willfully trying to misread the post Dragonfli May 2012 #325
In your mind perhaps, feel free to rewrite the OP at will, I will still read the actual OP Dragonfli May 2012 #324
You're right, to an extent davidthegnome May 2012 #224
I don't expect them to - I expect them to care about the country as a whole treestar May 2012 #225
I agree, "everybody counts", mostly they count how much you donate Dragonfli May 2012 #243
That wouldn't really work though, would it? treestar May 2012 #244
That is what all the promises are for, the ones they tell to get elected and then do the opposite Dragonfli May 2012 #246
Like Scott Walker, kissing his billionaire donor, Diane Hendricks, while he crunch60 May 2012 #270
183 recs and counting. As long as DU3 has an ignore button, those who want orthodoxy instead of AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #226
If Manny's OP's could survive a fact check, I would recommend it. emulatorloo May 2012 #237
You saw something that I didn't. I didn't see a reference to the Ryan Plan in Manny's OP. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #240
You are being a bit too literal minded. emulatorloo May 2012 #267
Also, you have to squint a little, and cover your left eye, but it's in there I swear!!! /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #278
Too literal minded? "Yes" if you mean understanding the words that were used AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #281
I posted this on another thread a few days ago, I agree with you, crunch60 May 2012 #247
Traditional Democratic Party Values bvar22 May 2012 #254
My ex is a die hard O'reilly watching, Limbaugh listening GOPER. This is the only thing we agreed jillan May 2012 #260
Respectfully, your ex is wrong. While Repubs have uniform beliefs, the Democratic Party consists AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #268
+1,000,000,000,000 HiPointDem May 2012 #261
Carlin's "the American Dream" and he's 100% correct TBF May 2012 #275
+1 Go Vols May 2012 #301
Well, Manny, chervilant May 2012 #279
Since this is now election season, I was hoping to get more bones thrown at us for a few months. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #284
Then stand up with the 99.5% and join Wolf-PAC Exultant Democracy May 2012 #280
The last time I said something like this Leontius May 2012 #283
You know, I'm usually quick to come to the defense of the Dems because of the gateley May 2012 #285
The Dems are systematically purging the Progessives from the party Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #286
yes, that has been going on sice at least clinton and his de-regulation, free trade, welfare killing Dragonfli May 2012 #330
werd up. KG May 2012 #287
DAMN STRAIGHT, MANNY Skittles May 2012 #290
I totally agree with you Manny... Larry Ogg May 2012 #295
My great grandfather was considered a "Democrat leader" DaveJ May 2012 #299
I think the power structure in this country felix_numinous May 2012 #302
HA!! Been saying that for ages! Brooklyn Dame May 2012 #308
I agree with you Manny Autumn May 2012 #315
Democrats are still better, but neither party seems to.. mvd May 2012 #318
I'm sorry that your hard work is not being effective. blue neen May 2012 #319
You really need to clarify that, on it's surface it came off as a "left handed compliment" Dragonfli May 2012 #329
To everyone who recced this thread: Poll_Blind May 2012 #321
K&R invictus May 2012 #341
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