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2. Maybe Angela Merkel needs to be reminded of that. eom

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Germany is the country that has never repaid its debts. It has no standing to lecture other nations. [View all] kpete Jul 2015 OP

Well now, this is inconvenient. libdem4life Jul 2015 #1

Maybe Angela Merkel needs to be reminded of that. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #2

Varoufakis reminded her not long ago magical thyme Jul 2015 #38

Of course. The victim is the rude one. Cleita Jul 2015 #41

Here and now, Piketty is the hifiguy Jul 2015 #3

Nail on Head! CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #4

doesn't negate anyone else's debt arely staircase Jul 2015 #5

It should. Greece was one of the countries that forgave German debt after WW2. pnwmom Jul 2015 #12

interesting (good) point arely staircase Jul 2015 #13

Greece didn't get reparations. Igel Jul 2015 #21

To read your post, it appears you think Germany wasn't responsible pnwmom Jul 2015 #29

Germany paid reparations. The USSR exacted a heavy price--large territorial losses. DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #40

Japan was killing Chinese long before Japan allied with Hitler NT 1939 Jul 2015 #73

22 million during ww2 is still a big number DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #74

Greece was blitzkrieged by Germany during World War II Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #61

The money the Greek government owes isnt all owed to Germany though. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #30

At least two Nobel prize winning economists, Krugman and Stieglitz, pnwmom Jul 2015 #31

True but spending in excessive of what even the most optimistic predictions cstanleytech Jul 2015 #32

As is usual, the people who benefited then are not the people who will pay now. pnwmom Jul 2015 #35

A country is not a household... druidity33 Jul 2015 #87

Thats debatable but one thing that isn't debatable is the report by the IMF cstanleytech Jul 2015 #89

And of course timdog44 Jul 2015 #90

Well its either the IMF or the Greek government but considering some of deals they made to conceal cstanleytech Jul 2015 #91

Actually, wasn't the conclusion... druidity33 Jul 2015 #93

So we are same page this is the report I am referring to cstanleytech Jul 2015 #97

probably we disagree druidity33 Jul 2015 #103

" "You made your bed... lie in it."" Actually I am not. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #104

I think you're wrong. druidity33 Jul 2015 #105

Really? Were the police going keep doing their job if they didnt get paid? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #106

And now timdog44 Jul 2015 #94

Atleast on the forum on another thread Goldman helped Greece hide the true extent of its debt which cstanleytech Jul 2015 #96

Amazing how easy timdog44 Jul 2015 #98

I dont feel to much sympathy for the Greek government (notice I said the government) if they cstanleytech Jul 2015 #100

I have to say timdog44 Jul 2015 #101

Something else that might make the Germans more willing DFW Jul 2015 #92

it does if the amount Germany owes Greece is the same as the amount magical thyme Jul 2015 #37

Pssssst Scurrilous Jul 2015 #6

I fixed the link for you, so folks can read the rest Electric Monk Jul 2015 #7

thanks for having my back kpete Jul 2015 #8

It was the @ symbol in the url Electric Monk Jul 2015 #11

Bingo. And Greece signed off on forgiveness of it ironically. mmonk Jul 2015 #9

Well that's the case with everything The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #10

Greece should resubmit the bill to Germany. Germany has defaulted roguevalley Jul 2015 #20

In 1953 Germany went to the Allies about the debt burden they held, and adjustments were appalachiablue Jul 2015 #14

Germany finishing paying its war debt in 2010. former9thward Jul 2015 #15

Hrm MFrohike Jul 2015 #16

Some of the write-off was bringing that debt in line with other Igel Jul 2015 #22

It was? MFrohike Jul 2015 #24

You know Greek had a debt write off less than 5 years ago. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #33

I know MFrohike Jul 2015 #36

It should also be noted... Adrahil Jul 2015 #43

And it doesn't MFrohike Jul 2015 #58

The Greeks didn't just take the money, they sought it. Adrahil Jul 2015 #64

Debt requires a borrower and a lender jeff47 Jul 2015 #67

Yep, it does. And both are about to take a hit. Adrahil Jul 2015 #69

Greece was required to do so in order to get money from the EU/IMF. jeff47 Jul 2015 #70

I agree. As I said, plenty of blame to go around. nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #72

Oh? MFrohike Jul 2015 #82

There was plenty of graft.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #83

There IS plenty of graft MFrohike Jul 2015 #84

Well maybe you can use another source. former9thward Jul 2015 #48

Heh MFrohike Jul 2015 #57

Germany *claims* it finished paying its war debt magical thyme Jul 2015 #39

Greece will claim anything. former9thward Jul 2015 #49

re-read the last sentence. Germany doesn't refuse to pay because it doesn't owe reparations. magical thyme Jul 2015 #62

War "debt" was imposed. That's pretty different. Adrahil Jul 2015 #71

Poor innocent Germany. The Germans were FORCED into invading Europe dbackjon Jul 2015 #86

I've been saying this for the last week or more... blackspade Jul 2015 #17

It's not. They were all born after WWII. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #26

That makes no sense at all. blackspade Jul 2015 #42

See post #16 Adrahil Jul 2015 #44

This post puts it pretty well. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #47

As Greeks do, with Greece's money Aerows Jul 2015 #51

That was an entirely different Germany, many generations ago, with a government not freely elected. George II Jul 2015 #18

Yep. If we're going to use history, the Greeks have never atoned for their 5th Century BC atrocities stevenleser Jul 2015 #19

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/constantine-tzanos/are-the-greek-claims-for-war-reparations_b_3439287. magical thyme Jul 2015 #63

Facts schmacts. They're for progressives and socialists. The U.S. right wing knows that. valerief Jul 2015 #23

No mention of the Treaty of Versailles? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #25

Polemics are always more convenient to work with than history. DFW Jul 2015 #46

Strictly speaking, history is written with the consent of the victors... malthaussen Jul 2015 #66

Cited in the link as to why the their WW2 debt was structured differently/forgiven. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #52

K & R for an excellent interview. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #27

Europe faces two stark choices...either federalize or start the break up. roamer65 Jul 2015 #28

No, they could also agree to extend the loan terms to 40 years or more in order to give Greece cstanleytech Jul 2015 #34

Greece is like Argentina. Time to forgive the debt or let them default. It will never be repaid. DFW Jul 2015 #65

That's gonna leave a mark! Never heard about this! SHTF time. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #45

Germany has declared bankruptcy 7 times Aerows Jul 2015 #50

So, Germany is the Donald Trump of nations? merrily Jul 2015 #53

Pretty much. n/t Aerows Jul 2015 #55

That was pretty good! d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #78

Glad you enjoyed it. merrily Jul 2015 #99

Thank you for this valuable OP, kpete. merrily Jul 2015 #54

I just find myself wondering, if taxpayers can bail out banks to the tune of trillions, then why Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #56

Why are there so many conservatives on DU and apparently in the party? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #59

The Republican party went crazy nxylas Jul 2015 #68

And they all showed up BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #76

Do you consider President Obama to be a "conservative"? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #75

Obama famously described himself as a "moderate Republican" Romulox Jul 2015 #81

Thanks for posting. Sherman A1 Jul 2015 #60

So the German people are responsible for their past leaders' actions. randome Jul 2015 #77

Here's one important distinction. totodeinhere Jul 2015 #79

Germany is ground zero for continuing the policies that hurt the world in the first place. lark Jul 2015 #80

Didnt Greece decide iamthebandfanman Jul 2015 #85

K&R..... daleanime Jul 2015 #88

The country that gave us the Nazi's says you haven't done enough to make up for your sins. lol. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #95

Yes, but in fairness the EU was adopted to change all that, and the demands now are EU covenants, Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #102